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If they are not part of the federal registry, how does that happen exactly?
Seems to me there is something smelly going all the way around.
They are not part of the federal registry because unless they are sent to the registry, the government doesnt know they exist..
Just like you posting here, unless the government is archiving this website, they wouldnt have any way of knowing what you have to say on these threads.
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Even if she is on another server once she goes to access her email account, she will crossover to the governments network, because they are who hosts her account. The little dialogue box pops up, 'enter your password'.
No, they are not who hosts her account, THATS THE ISSUE..
She is hosting her own account on her own computers. The emails dont ever enter the governmental database system, unless she actually emails someone with a .gov email address.
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I don't know what this is about I saw briefly about her destroying email, but that's not happening. She may think she's getting rid of it, if that's what she is doing.
She admitted to destroying them. Now whats in question is were they personal emails or not. I tend to give her the benefit of the doubt, because I believe in innocent until proven guilty, but the fact that she used the same email address, means that in reality, all of the emails, personal or not, should go to some federal database.
The fact that she chose to not separate them, isnt really a concern for legal reasons.
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But nothing, not even these words I type here are ever gone. Not until some one pulls the plug on it and then there's back up to a huge super mainframe.
They are gone, unless they are archived somewhere. If the mods delete your comments, before some indexing spider sees this page, then there are no history of them out in cyberspace. They might be stored in the administrators database, and then indexed to not appear, but that doesnt put them out there for the world to see them.
Emails arent indexed by spiders, they dont get out into cyberspace unless someone posts them on the web. They do bounce around the internet world, and if one happens to hit your pc, before they find their final destination, then in theory, you could read the emails (security concerns), but now with personal firewalls etc, they are less and less becoming readable to the general public, and even if they were, you'd have one email, not all of them, which is worthless.
How does the email get to the hard drive? Maybe they don't store to a cloud in auto back up, but email comes off of servers and even when you download them, they stay on the server. Even if you click that radio box that all email is to download. Just because you don't see the email on the server, doesn't mean it is not still there.
Emails go like this,.
Send an email to @city-data.com
and that email leaves your pc, goes out to the registration to find out where the email server is sitting, and sends that email from your computer, to that host pc. It does bounce around a little until it gets to the final destination, but once it hits that server IP, the email server goes out to the web and retrieves it.
All of this of course takes a blink of an eye.
Then that email is then placed into an email server database, which is supposed to be backed up by the federal government, if you have a .gov email address, but that was not done here.
When you delete that email, its removed from the database, and while in theory its technically on the hard drive, its only there until its replaced by other data, in this instance,other emails.
There are scrubbing programs that can be used, to wipe out space on a hard drive where this data used to be, which may or may not have been run, but if she wont give up the drive, then they cant be retrieved.
If they are on the server, and she wont give up the server, then it doesnt matter if they are there or not..
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They are not part of the federal registry because unless they are sent to the registry, the government doesnt know they exist..
Just like you posting here, unless the government is archiving this website, they wouldnt have any way of knowing what you have to say on these threads.
No, they are not who hosts her account, THATS THE ISSUE..
She is hosting her own account on her own computers. The emails dont ever enter the governmental database system, unless she actually emails someone with a .gov email address.
She admitted to destroying them. Now whats in question is were they personal emails or not. I tend to give her the benefit of the doubt, because I believe in innocent until proven guilty, but the fact that she used the same email address, means that in reality, all of the emails, personal or not, should go to some federal database.
The fact that she chose to not separate them, isnt really a concern for legal reasons.
They are gone, unless they are archived somewhere. If the mods delete your comments, before some indexing spider sees this page, then there are no history of them out in cyberspace. They might be stored in the administrators database, and then indexed to not appear, but that doesnt put them out there for the world to see them.
Emails arent indexed by spiders, they dont get out into cyberspace unless someone posts them on the web. They do bounce around the internet world, and if one happens to hit your pc, before they find their final destination, then in theory, you could read the emails, but now with personal firewalls etc, they are less and less becoming readable to the general public, and even if they were, you'd have one email, not all of them, which is worthless.
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No, they are not who hosts her account, THATS THE ISSUE..
Then one should find out who failed to do their job? And how was she allowed to do it that way?
For the rest of this. What does the NSA do all day?
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Emails go like this,.
Send an email to @city-data.com
and that email leaves your pc, goes out to the registration to find out where the email server is sitting, and sends that email from your computer, to that host pc. It does bounce around a little until it gets to the final destination, but once it hits that server IP, the email server goes out to the web and retrieves it.
All of this of course takes a blink of an eye.
Then that email is then placed into an email server database, which is supposed to be backed up by the federal government, if you have a .gov email address, but that was not done here.
When you delete that email, its removed from the database, and while in theory its technically on the hard drive, its only there until its replaced by other data, in this instance,other emails.
There are scrubbing programs that can be used, to wipe out space on a hard drive where this data used to be, which may or may not have been run, but if she wont give up the drive, then they cant be retrieved.
If they are on the server, and she wont give up the server, then it doesnt matter if they are there or not..
I have but one word, Hacker. In 1999 that may have been true about the email, that they would be gone from the servers. But not in 2015.
Most people wouldn't believe the amount of 'deleted' data that can be retrieved from a hard drive (& cyberspace). Just because the general public can't get their hands on the tools, doesn't mean they don't exist.
As for as legality here...I sure am proud I don't have a government job.
I have but one word, Hacker. In 1999 that may have been true about the email, that they would be gone from the servers. But not in 2015.
Most people wouldn't believe the amount of 'deleted' data that can be retrieved from a hard drive (& cyberspace). Just because the general public can't get their hands on the tools, doesn't mean they don't exist.
As for as legality here...I sure am proud I don't have a government job.
And this is were I get off this crazy thread.
ty pghquest it's been fun.
I run my own email servers, the retrievability of deleted emails depends upon the format of the data being saved, (such as a text file, access database, or sql file), and how often, if ever they scrub the drives.
I can scrub my drives to the point that they exceed the DOD standards, and they would be irretrievable, by the best of law enforcement. DOD sets pretty high standards, and there is a Gutman scrubbing, which in reality isnt that much safer, even though its 15 times as high as the DOD standard, and the data is gone. You cant reverse and guess 99 different combinations of 0s and 1s to retrieve data. its virtually impossible.
In 1999, prior to the new types of drives and scrubbing, you destroyed drives to keep it safe, now you scrub them.
I voted for defend, though I wouldn't say I defend it. I really just don't care.
Is something like this that big of a deal, really? If it's some policy violation, just tell her to forward what she has to an official email, and stop using it. The NSA probably has access to all that information anyway, so who cares? Personal or private email; the information is still shielded form the people.
This seems like a non-issue.
I would like to think a government email account is a little harder to hack than my Yahoo account.
For that reason, if no other, her actions show recklessness.
Of course her motive for ignoring the regulation was to avoid accountability for her actions.
This fits the pattern of misconduct and incompetency followed by stonewalling and obstructionism that has been the Clinton trademark since Whitewater.
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Maybe they don't store to a cloud in auto back up, but email comes off of servers and even when you download them, they stay on the server. Even if you click that radio box that all email is to download. Just because you don't see the email on the server, doesn't mean it is not still there.
