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Old 01-11-2008, 03:22 AM
 
Location: Tennessee/Michigan
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WASHINGTON — Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years under ambitious post-9/11 security rules to be unveiled Friday by federal officials.

The Homeland Security Department has spent years crafting the final regulations for the REAL ID Act, a law designed to make it harder for terrorists, illegal immigrants and con artists to get government-issued identification. The effort once envisioned to take effect in 2008 has been pushed back in the hopes of winning over skeptical state officials.

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Old 01-14-2008, 07:01 PM
 
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Does anybody have a list of states that have agreed to implement it by May of 2008? The states that have asked for the extensions until 2011? And the 17 states that are fighting the legislation in court? Im surprised this is not discussed by more people. This is very controversial IMO and this will completely change the landscape of our society within the next 10 years.
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Old 01-14-2008, 07:40 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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quote;In its written objection to the law, the ACLU claims REAL ID amounts to the "first-ever national identity card system," which "would irreparably damage the fabric of American life."

a rare instance where I actually agree with the ACLU and that they are not being partisan,I'm not for a national ID at all.

Another example where government failed by it's foreign agenda and now instead of putting limits on itself to make a correction,it expects citizens to take the heat.....and will that stop extremists from wanting to comit terrorism?....no,will a change in foreign policy reduce threats?.....yes.
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Old 01-14-2008, 07:44 PM
 
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quote;In its written objection to the law, the ACLU claims REAL ID amounts to the "first-ever national identity card system," which "would irreparably damage the fabric of American life."
I'm really confused how this would "irreparably damage the fabric of American life." Why are so many people afraid of a national ID? Often these are the same people who want to have better enforcement regarding people working here legally. I think having a national id instead of simply social security would be a great thing.
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Old 01-14-2008, 07:47 PM
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Location: NEFL/Chi, IL
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... and for a time, there will be uproar, but everyone will comply and in time, this too shall be forgotten, just like the huge furor that existed over social security cards but now, no one even thinks about.

Did you know that it's against a number of laws to use a social security card as identification?
That's right- cannot be used as ID, yet try getting your water or electricity turned on without one. That's how they get ya... They don't make it "mandatory" for you to get such a card- they let you be "free" on the front end... they simply make the most basic participation in society reliant on having one; they get you on the back end.
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Old 01-14-2008, 07:48 PM
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I'm really confused how this would "irreparably damage the fabric of American life." Why are so many people afraid of a national ID? Often these are the same people who want to have better enforcement regarding people working here legally. I think having a national id instead of simply social security would be a great thing.
Our civilization is less trusting of central authority over our lives than yours.
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Old 01-14-2008, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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This is a good idea but we really need to go to a national ID card which would be a Federal ID separate from a driver's license or any other form of ID and more like a passport complete with tamper proof biometrics imbedded in it. And it should be required to be shown to any employer upon applying for a job as well as getting on a plane or other things that you are supposed to be here legally to do.
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Old 01-14-2008, 08:02 PM
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This is a good idea but we really need to go to a national ID card which would be a Federal ID separate from a driver's license or any other form of ID and more like a passport complete with tamper proof biometrics imbedded in it. And it should be required to be shown to any employer upon applying for a job as well as getting on a plane or other things that you are supposed to be here legally to do.
Wouldn't a tattoo be much easier?
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Old 01-14-2008, 08:02 PM
 
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Our civilization is less trusting of central authority over our lives than yours.
this is true.I have come to know and debate a few people around the world and I now realize what is "better" is subjective.I don't give critic to others form of government as much any more,at least by touting as America being superior all the time.I think America is better than alot of other ways,but realize others prefere what they have.

American ideals are just different than many European ideas as far as central government and collective rights versus individual rights.It is my belief and history proves,that government is never satisfied with the` scope of power it has and actively seeks by nature to expand itself and justify itself,often by championing the rights of masses while stepping on individual rights in the process.

When government is no longer needed or relevant,it changes its mission to justify continued existance.This is why even though Social Security is a mess and failing....and because of governments inability to manage it,it fights fights tooth and nail against taking its power over it away and instead trys to improvise ways to justify fixing it....at peoples exspence.
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Old 01-14-2008, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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The purpose of a drivers license is to provide evidence that you have demonstrated the ability to drive a car safely. And, more importantly, it is a tax reciept, verifying that you have turned over the all-important fee to the state department of revenue. It is not an identity document, and you do not need to produce one if you are not in the process of driving an autmobile.

If the government wants to compel our citizens to prove on demand who they are, OK, go ahead, and see if it passes muster in the Supreme Court. But piggy-backing the invasion of our privary onto a drivers license illuminates the shameful and sneaky disregard the current crop of orthodoxy-cops has for the citizenry. I have a right to go about my business without needing to prove to the police who I am at their whim. That right should not end the minute I get behind the wheel. The concern of the police is public safety, and the only thing they need to know is that I have passed the driving test and am therefore not a menace to public safety while driving.
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