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Old 03-03-2015, 02:37 PM
 
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We're actually overdue in our extension of an olive branch to Iran.

Plus we owe them an apology for the Mossadegh overthrow, installment of the Shah, and training of the SAVAK.


should the Greeks and Spartans offer them an apology and bend over too?



the Shah is a saint compare the Mullahs who took over in 1979.....the Shah wasn't killing and beheading gays and treating women like the stone ages and the Shah didn't make threats to Israel to wipe them off the map just because of being Jews.


you are clueless.
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Old 03-03-2015, 02:40 PM
 
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Jimmy Carter is the idiot for not supporting the SHAH, now we have to deal with the Mullahs who hate America and Israel and gays and they want a nuke.


Just read the Iran constitution under the Mullahs and it should be clear why Obama is naive and clueless thinking he could make Iran like us with a crappy deal.
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Old 03-03-2015, 02:54 PM
 
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Under the NPT, they are aloud to have engineering know-how. They were supplied by the Russians to create a program. They violated the NPT by conducting military research. U.S and its allies are focused on the illegal nuclear weapons program.
No According to all western intelligence agencies Iran does not have weaponized program.

But assuming it did for a second. The U.S deemed beneficial to impose many of sanctions on Iran and has forced countries like Japan,India,Russia,China,Australia,Turkey, Korea, and European countries in many instances against their interests to sanction Iran. There is no Article of U.S constitution that requires the U.S impose sanctions on a third country. The U.S foreign policy is designed based U.S interests which currently resides in peacefully coming over a negotiated settlement with Iran over the extent that it can conduct nuclear related activities. It is really very simple.





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What is bolded is a false statement. Unless you can prove it with sources ( and not IhateIsrael.org sources either).
Yes you would have us believe Israeli newspapers are bastions of hating Israel.
US 'surprised' Israel did not support UN vote on Ukraine's territorial integrity - International - Jerusalem Post
failing to vote for resolution that


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No, its not actually. Many of the weaponry of the IDF is Israeli weaponry and technology. Usually the shells of helicopters, tanks, ect are American. Israel has arms from all over the world and the world has Israeli weaponry. If anything, the funding for projects and arms can be U.S funded, which the U.S gets a slice of the pie. Drones is an Israeli invention as well as perfected. You created a fallacy.
you have inability to read carefully and then response. nobody said That Israel does not significant military technology. I said significant and I would definitely consider Israeli F-15s and F-16 as important part of their Arsenal. I would consider u.s financing of iron dome as significant. I would consider handing over bunker busting bombs to Israel as very significant.


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Your lack of credibility has shown.
Yes I definitely lack credibility since I point all unsubstantiated points you have made.

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Iran has no interests in 'softening' relations, this is a pipe dream.
What you have said is utterly false. It is completely strategically beneficial for Iran to have better relations with the U.S

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Its goal is to have a nuclear umbrella while spreading its hegemonic influence in the Middle East.
Well currently we have three countries that have a nuclear umbrella over the middle east. United States, Israel and Russia. and according to people like you since Mid-1990s Iran is a year away from blowing up a nuclear weapon.

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Its trying to establish an empire, not worried about making American citizens richer. Get it?
I would not expect any country to worry about U.S interests. It is

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The Sunni nations who are America's allies, will have their own nuclear weapons program if Iran establishes one. And among other reasons, any international treaty to stop proliferation will be disregarded if Iran has bombs; Simply because other countries will follow suit with their own programs. Their will be no legitimate enforcement.
as you have eluded but then ignored. under the NPT Iran has either chosen not to build a weapon or It has been persuaded by powers like the U.S not to do so. either way it does not have a nuclear weapon program.

It is beyond me how a deal that seeks to cut down Iranian enrichment activity from 20% down to 5% is a bad deal. It is beyond me how a deal that reduces Iranian centrifuges by 75% would be a bad deal.
in Return the West provides sanction relief gradually.

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Your misguided because you do not understand the Sunni-Shia rift and the complete whitewashing of Iranian terror was prevalent in your post.
According to you the United States should ignore all benefits that less tenacious relationship with Iran brings it.
You must have a good grasp foreign policy.
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Old 03-03-2015, 03:03 PM
 
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Jimmy Carter is the idiot for not supporting the SHAH, now we have to deal with the Mullahs who hate America and Israel and gays and they want a nuke.
And that's exactly what makes the mullahs so beloved by American self-proclaimed liberals.
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Old 03-03-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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Jimmy Carter is the idiot for not supporting the SHAH, now we have to deal with the Mullahs who hate America and Israel and gays and they want a nuke.


Just read the Iran constitution under the Mullahs and it should be clear why Obama is naive and clueless thinking he could make Iran like us with a crappy deal.
Hey genius...Carter took in the Shah when no one else wanted him.

The United States had a good 25 year murderous run in Iran. Be happy.

But all tyrannical regimes...Even those supported by the U.S., must come to an end at some point.
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Old 03-03-2015, 03:18 PM
 
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Hey genius...Carter took in the Shah when no one else wanted him.

The United States had a good 25 year murderous run in Iran. Be happy.

But all tyrannical regimes...Even those supported by the U.S., must come to an end at some point.

yeah after he got deposed by the Ayatollahs and Mullahs in 1979 and Carter didn't lift a finger to help and let the Mullahs kidnapped Americans as hostages, I'm sure under the Shah Americans were under the same threat, NOT!.......what can you expect from clueless Jimmy peanut brain, the same guy that blames Israel in his book of the Palestinian conflict.


Sometimes in life we don't get to choose a perfect regime but choose which of the 2 options are a lesser evil to us and the region and the Mullahs in power are a lot more dangerous to us and the world than the Shah ever was.

Like I said, the Shah was a saint compare to the Mullahs.
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Old 03-03-2015, 03:25 PM
 
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It's not our job to choose Iran's leaders. The people there supported the revolution and have the right to self-determination. Isn't that the "American way"?
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Old 03-03-2015, 03:30 PM
 
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And that's exactly what makes the mullahs so beloved by American self-proclaimed liberals.
You conservatives created the mullahtocracy in Iran.
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Old 03-03-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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Either Obama isn't in the loop by his ten year statement or they are not near a agreement seeing Iran's quick out right rejection.
Obama isn't in the loop, or he is fine with Iran's statements against the US or them blowing up a mock US aircraft carrier last week while negotiations are ongoing. Obama just looks like a fool to lift sanctions before negotiating with Iran. Now he's negotiating from a weaker position.
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Old 03-03-2015, 03:33 PM
 
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yeah after he got deposed by the Ayatollahs and Mullahs in 1979 and Carter didn't lift a finger to help and let the Mullahs kidnapped Americans as hostages, I'm sure under the Shah Americans were under the same threat, NOT!.......what can you expect from clueless Jimmy peanut brain, the same guy that blames Israel in his book of the Palestinian conflict.


Sometimes in life we don't get to choose a perfect regime but choose which of the 2 options are a lesser evil to us and the region and the Mullahs in power are a lot more dangerous to us and the world than the Shah ever was.

Like I said, the Shah was a saint compare to the Mullahs.
The Shah was deposed by the people...not the mullahs.

I guess you forgot about those millions of Iranians in the streets to greet Khomeini when he came back.

Besides, who runs Iran is none of your business.
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