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Old 03-04-2015, 11:47 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why? You don't pay for your own health care.
Indeed, I do. Who did you think pays for it? Santa Claus?

Back to the point... I'm cheering for you and other liberals to step up to the plate and voluntarily pay for others' access to health care. Come on... DO IT! Deeds, not just words. Put your money where your mouths are.
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Old 03-04-2015, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I hope the SC upholds the ACA law AS WRITTEN, and not "what we meant for it to say". Regardless of so called intent, the language in the law is clear.
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Old 03-04-2015, 11:52 AM
 
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I hope the SC upholds the ACA law AS WRITTEN, and not "what we meant for it to say".
They meant for it to say exactly how it's written. Gruber has been filmed multiple times confirming exactly that.

Why isn't anyone asking why Gruber is apparently the only one who knew about and discussed that clause, mentioned 11 times in the ACA? Hmmm...???
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Old 03-04-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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I hope the SC upholds the ACA law AS WRITTEN, and not "what we meant for it to say". Regardless of so called intent, the language in the law is clear.
There is precedent for interpreting intent of language in a statute. It's called the Chevron deference. And the intent seems clear, since the whole law collapses without the subsidies.
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Old 03-04-2015, 11:56 AM
 
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There is precedent for interpreting intent of language in a statute. It's called the Chevron deference. And the intent seems clear, since the whole law collapses without the subsidies.
Gruber has been taped multiple times explaining the intent.

And remember, he was the only one specifically discussing the restricting clause, which appears 11 times in the ACA, and its intent.
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Old 03-04-2015, 12:00 PM
 
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I did, apparently you did not.

Table 2 clearly shows that the Number of uninsured nonelderly people drops from 45 million to 31 million under the ACA.

Ken

It also shows that people without insurance going up from 13 - 25 million, or did you just miss that?
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Old 03-04-2015, 12:04 PM
 
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"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is that the amount of money you will spend on premiums will be less," Obama said. "If you are one of 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will after this plan becomes law
Anyone want to guess who said the quote above?
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Old 03-04-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Gruber has been taped multiple times explaining the intent.

And remember, he was the only one specifically discussing the restricting clause, which appears 11 times in the ACA, and its intent.
Gruber didn't WRITE the law. CONGRESS wrote the law. Gruber simply ADVISED Congress.
Grubers' opinion is just HIS OPINION, that's it.


Ken
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Old 03-04-2015, 12:07 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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It also shows that people without insurance going up from 13 - 25 million, or did you just miss that?
NO it doesn't
WHERE does it show that?
The 13 million to 25 million numbers have a MINUS SIGN before them - indicating that's the amount the number of uninsured DROPS BY.

Are you REALLY so uneducated that you don't know what a MINUS ( - ) sign means?


Ken
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Old 03-04-2015, 12:11 PM
 
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Gruber simply ADVISED Congress.
Exactly, and he was the only one familiar with and discussing the restrictions clause that appears 11 times in the ACA. Just one example of several:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34rttqLh12U


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Gruber: "What’s important to remember politically about this is if you’re a state and you don’t set up an exchange, that means your citizens don’t get their tax credits — but your citizens still pay the taxes that support this bill. So you’re essentially saying [to] your citizens you’re going to pay all the taxes to help all the other states in the country. I hope that that’s a blatant enough political reality that states will get their act together and realize there are billions of dollars at stake here in setting up these exchanges."
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