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Old 03-04-2015, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Wallace, Idaho
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The Supreme Court is back at it again.

Those in favor of ending ACA subsidies ("unconstitutional"), let's hear your reasons for making health care less affordable for people who need it.

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ACA should be completely scrapped as the bad law that it is. Millions remain uninsured, and the law really didn't do anything to rein in costs.

We need single-payer universal health care, and it's barbaric that we don't have it. No one should have to worry about how they're going to pay for it when they get sick.

Anything that undermines this wrong-headed law is fine by me. It never should have passed. I laugh and laugh when I hear the right talking about how "socialist" it is. It's the biggest sellout to corporate interests they could have ever hoped for.
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Old 03-04-2015, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It all went to increased co-pays and OOP expenses and fees.

Eight hundred alone for my son's broken leg ("surgical" fee, even though there wasn't surgery. Perfectly acceptable under the ACA.
Does this mean you are an advocate for more government involvement in healthcare to control costs?
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Old 03-04-2015, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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You're wasting your time here. Some people just won't admit that pre-existing conditions excluded people from private health insurance. That health care costs have risen steadily over the last 12 years. That having a chronic illness that prevents one from working can result in a person becoming destitute. That having a premature infant can exhaust the lifetime cap of insurance. And on and on. All people choose to see is someone willfully not choosing to work and looking for a handout.
Healthcare premiums increased nearly 100% between 2000-2010, before the ACA.
Healthcare premiums are a reflection of the underlying cost of healthcare.

We are the fattest population in the world- 70% of adults are overweight- obese. As such, the population is more vulnerable to Diabetes, Heart Disease and some Cancers. Insurers have been charging higher premiums to smokers for about 15 years. Why not do the same for those with waist sizes greater than X?

Give everyone 2 years notice to drop the lbs or pay higher premiums to offset the incremental risks.
Those with waist sizes in the normal ranges could look forward to substantial reductions in premiums.
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Old 03-04-2015, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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First of all you are confusing health INSURANCE with health CARE.

Obamacare has nothing to do with health CARE.

Obamacare is about subsidized INSURANCE.
Obamacare has more to do with a national baseline for healthcare insurance.

The majority of people were already subsidized by their employers, via large group plans.

Children and pregnant women were typically covered by state Medicaid.

Government was subsidizing big urban hospitals that have been " stabilizing" patients for the past 30 years.

Next month the ACA will be 5 years old. There has been no other initiative that has gained traction, despite an almost universal agreement that what existed was broken.
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Old 03-04-2015, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Subsidies do not make things cheaper. It makes things more expensive as anything the government subsidizes always increase faster than otherwise and it simply puts the costs for some off until later.
The Swiss mandate healthcare insurance and 99% of the Swiss people comply. Employers are not involved in insurance.

The Swiss can purchase supplimental insurance for private hospital rooms and other non mandatory stuff.

The Swiss subsidize 40% of the population's premiums. What you won't find in Switzerland are armies of non- medical staff making $7 figures, each year, brands competing and either acquiring or causing the competition to fold. You won't see advertizing or valet parking or lattes.

The Swiss own or operate most hospitals and make use of Compariative- Effectiveness Protocols to manage costs.

The cost of healthcare is less in Switzerland despite the higher cost of living.

Having said this, what is possible in a nation of 8 million is not easily portable to a country of 315 million, that borrows money to stick it's beak into the world's business.
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:00 AM
 
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Does this mean you are an advocate for more government involvement in healthcare to control costs?
Since the ACA came into being they have done nothing for me to control healthcare costs.

Why would I want them more involved when they have failed so far?
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Old 03-05-2015, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Let's see... public transportation, bicycle, wheelchair, or... gosh... your legs. God forbid people use them.
A wheelchair to get to work? Are you serious?
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:01 AM
 
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Healthcare premiums increased nearly 100% between 2000-2010, before the ACA.
Healthcare premiums are a reflection of the underlying cost of healthcare.

We are the fattest population in the world- 70% of adults are overweight- obese. As such, the population is more vulnerable to Diabetes, Heart Disease and some Cancers. Insurers have been charging higher premiums to smokers for about 15 years. Why not do the same for those with waist sizes greater than X?

Give everyone 2 years notice to drop the lbs or pay higher premiums to offset the incremental risks.
Those with waist sizes in the normal ranges could look forward to substantial reductions in premiums.
Well they did the something similar with smoking, sin tax, discouraged it and warnings. It didn't stop them, mostly the poor .. you don't think that's accounted for and we pay for it.
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:02 AM
 
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Since the ACA came into being they have done nothing for me to control healthcare costs.

Why would I want them more involved when they have failed so far?
Yep, it will go the way as colleges and housing. Anytime the government subsidizes prices skyrocket.
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Old 03-05-2015, 01:05 AM
 
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Healthcare premiums increased nearly 100% between 2000-2010, before the ACA.
Healthcare premiums are a reflection of the underlying cost of healthcare.

We are the fattest population in the world- 70% of adults are overweight- obese. As such, the population is more vulnerable to Diabetes, Heart Disease and some Cancers. Insurers have been charging higher premiums to smokers for about 15 years. Why not do the same for those with waist sizes greater than X?

Give everyone 2 years notice to drop the lbs or pay higher premiums to offset the incremental risks.
Those with waist sizes in the normal ranges could look forward to substantial reductions in premiums.
So exercise more and eat less is the key; not more public spending supporting the life style.
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