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Old 03-04-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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This man says he might have. As usual we get opinions.

Alan Lunn


But yesterday's political theater was an end-run around protocol and a usurpation of presidential power by both the Speaker and the foreign prime minister. Nobody here voted for Netanyahu. You guys would be enraged if Pelosi had tried this with Bush.

Not only that, this was done while actual negotiations were being made with Iran, and these negotiations are also going on with other major nations. Is Boehner losing his marbles?

He may actually have committed a felony.

"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both." -- The Logan Act

http://thegazette.com/subject/opinio...-speaker-john-...

"In United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp. (1936), however, Justice Sutherland wrote in the majority opinion: '[T]he President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it.' Sutherland also notes in his opinion the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations report to the Senate of February 15, 1816:

"The President is the constitutional representative of the United States with regard to foreign nations. He manages our concerns with foreign nations, and must necessarily be most competent to determine when, how, and upon what subjects negotiation may be urged with the greatest prospect of success. For his conduct, he is responsible to the Constitution.


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Old 03-04-2015, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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The Congress is a CO-EQUAL branch of government. It does need the permission of Barack to invite someone to speak.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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Well, I doubt anyone will seriously entertain bringing Logan Act charges against the Speaker of the House. I, for one, would not like to see this done. It was a slap at the President, but such is life.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 11:05 AM
 
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Now this is funny, you have sitting senators and people sitting in the house that owe millions of dollars in back taxes (which constitutes a felony) and you're worried about a speech....

oh and they legalized insider trading (for them only) which anyone of us would be thrown under the jail for...


LOL..
 
Old 03-04-2015, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The Congress is a CO-EQUAL branch of government. It does need the permission of Barack to invite someone to speak.
They are different branches because they have different roles. The Constitution is clear: Receiving foreign representatives is a duty of a president, not the Congress. Boehner violated the Constitution with this stunt. If it is ok, then future Congresses will follow suit and conduct foreign policy even if it violates the Constitution. Such acts demonstrate little respect for the Constitution, and the way things are handled in the United States.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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Now this is funny, you have sitting senators and people sitting in the house that owe millions of dollars in back taxes (which constitutes a felony) and you're worried about a speech....

oh and they legalized insider trading (for them only) which anyone of us would be thrown under the jail for...


LOL..
Ain't that the truth. And they sent Martha Stewart to prison
 
Old 03-04-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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They are different branches because they have different roles. The Constitution is clear: Receiving foreign representatives is a duty of a president, not the Congress. Boehner violated the Constitution with this stunt. If it is ok, then future Congresses will follow suit and conduct foreign policy even if it violates the Constitution. Such acts demonstrate little respect for the Constitution, and the way things are handled in the United States.
Link....
 
Old 03-04-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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Boner is as big of a boob as Barack.

Now say that fast 5 times.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 11:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
They are different branches because they have different roles. The Constitution is clear: Receiving foreign representatives is a duty of a president, not the Congress. Boehner violated the Constitution with this stunt. If it is ok, then future Congresses will follow suit and conduct foreign policy even if it violates the Constitution. Such acts demonstrate little respect for the Constitution, and the way things are handled in the United States.
I agree. I imagine that in future years we will have more and more foreign leaders coming to address Congress, in order to try to curry favor at home, or to put pressure on the President.


Nevertheless, I would not like to see the circus act of bringing Logan charges against the Speaker.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 12:00 PM
 
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They are different branches because they have different roles.
So then why did the President change the Obamacare law after it was passed by Congress? I don't recall your posts criticizing him for that. Can you give me some links to where you spoke out against his violating his role as executive by engaging in altering legislation by changing the mandates and altering the dates set forth in the ACA without congressional approval?
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The Constitution is clear: Receiving foreign representatives is a duty of a president, not the Congress.
Congress didn't receive a foreign representative. They asked a person to give a speech. Netanyahu wasn't there as a representative of Israel, he was there as a guest speaker.
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Boehner violated the Constitution with this stunt.
He did? Show the treaty negotiations he engaged in with Congress.
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If it is ok, then future Congresses will follow suit and conduct foreign policy even if it violates the Constitution.
Which foreign policy initiatives were discussed? I wasn't aware that giving a speech constituted "conducting foreign policy". Columbia University had the President of Iran give a speech a few years back. Did you advocate arresting the university's administration for illegally conducting foreign policy?
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Such acts demonstrate little respect for the Constitution, and the way things are handled in the United States.
Meanwhile, such acts as your post demonstrate little respect for common sense or critical thought.
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