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Old 02-27-2008, 12:40 PM
 
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I guess I'm missing something but it seems like an oxymoron. You'd think extreme liberals would be characterized as Communists. (?)
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Fascism, the collusion of business with government to supress competition, can come from either the left or the right. Politicians and financiers frequently use militarism and nationalism to justify their fraud.

I favor left wing, socialist, if you will, economics, but do not tolerate the tyrannies, right or left, that are the frequent result and a perversion of the concept. One can have a socialist economic system with plenty of room for capitalist business and enhanced individual freedom.
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Old 02-27-2008, 01:59 PM
 
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Why isn't this in the 'Books' forum?
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:19 PM
 
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Fascism as displayed by Hitler and Mussolini is a combination of moderately left-wing economic/environmental controls and a rabid right-wing populism consisting of extreme jingoism, millitary aggression, emphasis on "traditional values" (Hitler was all about preserving the "traditional culture" and banning "Degenerate Art" and things of that nature), exaltation of the executive branch, racism, persecution of various minorities... it's never been the left-wing aspects of fascism that make people recoil when they hear the word.
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:30 PM
 
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This Slate book review (http://www.slate.com/id/2182871/pagenum/all/#page_start - broken link) of 'Liberal Fascism' had some interesting points.
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Why isn't this in the 'Books' forum?
Because someone on the book forum said to move it here I don't care where it goes! Like I said I liked the book.
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:54 PM
 
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my54ford - squeaky wheel, I guess. But since this a book discussion, it should be in the 'Books' section. grumble, grumble...

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But you've got to love the staggering ignorance behind his continued insistence that fascists weren't socialists because they beat other socialists to death. Golly. How many socialists did Stalin kill? Pretty much all of the show trial victims weren't mere socialists but hardcore Communists. I guess Stalin was anti-Communist. Hitler's Night of the Long Knives involved the slaughter of Nazis, so I guess by Olbermann's logic Hitler was anti-Nazi.
Liberal Fascism on National Review Online
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Old 02-27-2008, 03:06 PM
 
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It should be noted that the National Review, the magazine Goldberg writes for, praised the fascist Spanish dictator Francisco Franco shortly after his death in 1975...
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Old 02-28-2008, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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Fascism as displayed by Hitler and Mussolini is a combination of moderately left-wing economic/environmental controls and a rabid right-wing populism consisting of extreme jingoism, millitary aggression, emphasis on "traditional values" (Hitler was all about preserving the "traditional culture" and banning "Degenerate Art" and things of that nature), exaltation of the executive branch, racism, persecution of various minorities... it's never been the left-wing aspects of fascism that make people recoil when they hear the word.
I agree to a point. Left wingers can be just as nationalistic but for a socialized country that doesn't exist except in their minds. They are just as guilty of persecution against individuals for not believing what they believe. The fundamental difference is that fascism places the state as the overall power which is incredibly left wing ( a form of exaltation of the executive branch).

True conservatives would never vote for the use of force against their own people nor would they place too much power in the hands of the government. They are for the exact opposite, military for the protection of the people (of course with the right to bear arms), limited government, hard work, low taxes and a belief that the responsible individual, by bettering himself, betters society.
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Old 02-28-2008, 11:21 AM
 
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I have read a few books concerning Fascism. At the Nuremburg war trials a well known Nazi General testified; if you can place fear in the minds of the masses, you can control them.

Can anyone equate this statement to present conditions.
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