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Today's MJ is not nearly the same as it was 40 years ago. Our knowledge of growing has gotten way better. Anything from midgrade up is grown indoors nowadays, where everything from lighting to humidity to pH balance of the soil is precisely controlled.
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Originally Posted by Tumf
And with that improvement, comes a significant price increase...
I'm told (wink, wink) that an ounce of that stuff back in my day could be bought for $25.00... today, that's laughable...
I meant TCH potency much higher PLUS now added addictive chemicals are in it
A lab technician at CannLabs in Denver scrapes crumbs of a marijuana-infused cupcake into a vial for potency testing.
DENVER — A casual marijuana smoker, Kyle Naylor figured he'd give edible marijuana products a try to see if they'd curb his anxiety and insomnia. It didn't go well. Eighty minutes into his experiment, Naylor got intensely sick and lost control of his body. By 90 minutes, he was hyperventilating, freaking out and heading to the emergency room. "For me, the effect from smoking marijuana was completely different than ingesting it," says Naylor, 30.
On Jan. 1, Colorado became the first state to legalize recreational use of marijuana — Washington state expects to begin legal retail sales this summer — and commercially made edible products have become a popular alternative to smoking pot.
Though brownies laced with illegal marijuana have quietly made the rounds at parties around the USA for decades, adults now can walk into state-licensed stores here and buy professionally manufactured edibles, from candy to soda and granola.
But this is not just a story about happy highs. Two deaths connected with edible marijuana products have Colorado lawmakers scrambling to toughen regulations and experts warning of bizarre behavior as consumers eat powerful pot-infused foods. Experts say the amount of marijuana in edibles can vary widely, and in some cases, the levels are so high people report extreme paranoia and anxiety bordering on psychotic behavior.
"You can feel like you're dying," says Genifer Murray of CannLabs, a Colorado-approved marijuana potency testing lab. Murray says inexperienced users easily can overdose on marijuana edibles because the effects take longer to kick in than smoking. The concerns follow two nationally prominent incidents. In the first, a college student from Wyoming jumped to his death March 11 from a Denver hotel balcony after eating a marijuana cookie. Witnesses told police that Levi Thamba Pongi, 19, was rambling incoherently after eating a large serving of the doped cookie. The Denver coroner ruled that "marijuana intoxication" was a significant factor in his death.
And Richard Kirk of Denver faces first-degree murder charges stemming from the fatal shooting of his wife inside their home in April. Kirk's wife called 911 to report he was hallucinating and rambling after eating marijuana candy and taking prescription medication. Kristine Kirk died while on the phone with a police dispatcher.
"On the recorded call, Mrs. Kirk can be heard telling Richard to stay down and yelling for her kids to go downstairs," according to a search warrant affidavit. "At one point, Mrs. Kirk tells the 911 operator 'please hurry' because he was scaring the kids and he was 'totally hallucinating.' "
Edibles give users a different kind of high than the one they get from smoking marijuana, largely because the pot is absorbed through the stomach instead of the lungs. The effects are slower to arrive, generally last longer and can be more intense because people unwittingly eat more than they intend to. On the other hand, people who smoke pot get high quickly, allowing them to better regulate how stoned they're getting.
"When you're smoking, you reach a certain level of highness ... and forget to keep smoking," says Denver forensic psychologist Max Wachtel, who counsels youth offenders. "It's in our nature to accidentally overuse edibles."
Naylor says that's what happened to him: He ate the recommended dose of ¼ of the cookie and waited an hour. When nothing happened, he ate more. "I didn't realize it would be such an intense and different high after that long," he says.
Under regulations that took effect last week, edible marijuana products cannot contain more than 100 mg of THC, the compound in marijuana that gets users high. But there's no standard for the size of those products. That means one candy bar can contain the same amount of THC as an entire bag of cookies. The regulations apply only to marijuana for recreational use; medical marijuana products can be much stronger but are available for legal purchase only with a doctor's recommendation. Colorado lawmakers agreed this week to spend $10 million to study the effects of marijuana use and to require better labeling of edibles, while barring them from being made into products "primarily marketed to children." Lawmakers also approved a measure that would lower the amount of marijuana-infused oil or butter that can be sold to consumers. Infused oils and butters contain concentrated marijuana at levels far higher than contained in the plant itself.
State regulators are considering whether to mandate portion sizes, which would help standardize the amount of marijuana in a candy bar or a soda.
Legalization opponents such as state Rep. Frank McNulty say the brightly packaged edibles appeal to kids who might not stop to read the tiny print warning that a Tootsie Roll-size candy contains the equivalent of multiple joints. Opponents also worry about the easy availability of edibles. On April 22, a school in northern Colorado suspended several students who brought both marijuana and pot edibles into the building, which they said they stole from their grandparents.
"They need to stop lacing kids' snacks with THC … and standardize these servings," says McNulty, a Republican who represents the Denver suburb of Highlands Ranch. McNulty sponsored two bills that would toughen marijuana regulations this legislative session. "Whatever is in that brownie, you're on it for the entire ride. There's no ability to self-regulate with edibles." Wachtel, the psychiatrist, says the difference between smoking a joint and consuming an edible is much like that between drinking hard liquor and beer. You can slam five shots before feeling the effects but can tell you're getting drunk after drinking five beers. "You're getting a ton more THC" in edibles, Wachtel says. "There's a real potential for danger."
Murray of CannLabs says Nayor's experience is fairly typical for first-time users of edible products. CannLabs is one of a handful of labs certified by Colorado to test marijuana edibles for potency and contaminants.
A computer screen inside the Denver offices of CannLabs shows a marijuana flower, next to a machine used to test the plants for potency and contaminants.
She says scientific testing is an important safeguard for consumers, especially first-time users. "You need to make sure you know what's in it and how it's going to affect your body," Murray says.
Because Colorado is the first state to legalize recreational marijuana, regulators have no best-practice rules to borrow from other states or the federal government, which considers marijuana an illegal drug, says Lewis Koski, director of Colorado's Marijuana Enforcement Division. "We were really starting from scratch," he says.
Supermarket foods and meats, along with alcohol and tobacco, are regulated at the state and federal levels. Prescription drugs must undergo extensive safety tests and regulatory scrutiny before being sold to the public, and even then only with a doctor's guidance.
AND STATES ARE STARTING TO LEGALIZE THIS DANGEROUS STUFF !!
A lab technician at CannLabs in Denver scrapes crumbs of a marijuana-infused cupcake into a vial for potency testing.
DENVER — A casual marijuana smoker, Kyle Naylor figured he'd give edible marijuana products a try to see if they'd curb his anxiety and insomnia. It didn't go well. Eighty minutes into his experiment, Naylor got intensely sick and lost control of his body. By 90 minutes, he was hyperventilating, freaking out and heading to the emergency room. "For me, the effect from smoking marijuana was completely different than ingesting it," says Naylor, 30.
On Jan. 1, Colorado became the first state to legalize recreational use of marijuana — Washington state expects to begin legal retail sales this summer — and commercially made edible products have become a popular alternative to smoking pot.
Though brownies laced with illegal marijuana have quietly made the rounds at parties around the USA for decades, adults now can walk into state-licensed stores here and buy professionally manufactured edibles, from candy to soda and granola.
But this is not just a story about happy highs. Two deaths connected with edible marijuana products have Colorado lawmakers scrambling to toughen regulations and experts warning of bizarre behavior as consumers eat powerful pot-infused foods. Experts say the amount of marijuana in edibles can vary widely, and in some cases, the levels are so high people report extreme paranoia and anxiety bordering on psychotic behavior.
"You can feel like you're dying," says Genifer Murray of CannLabs, a Colorado-approved marijuana potency testing lab. Murray says inexperienced users easily can overdose on marijuana edibles because the effects take longer to kick in than smoking. The concerns follow two nationally prominent incidents. In the first, a college student from Wyoming jumped to his death March 11 from a Denver hotel balcony after eating a marijuana cookie. Witnesses told police that Levi Thamba Pongi, 19, was rambling incoherently after eating a large serving of the doped cookie. The Denver coroner ruled that "marijuana intoxication" was a significant factor in his death.
And Richard Kirk of Denver faces first-degree murder charges stemming from the fatal shooting of his wife inside their home in April. Kirk's wife called 911 to report he was hallucinating and rambling after eating marijuana candy and taking prescription medication. Kristine Kirk died while on the phone with a police dispatcher.
"On the recorded call, Mrs. Kirk can be heard telling Richard to stay down and yelling for her kids to go downstairs," according to a search warrant affidavit. "At one point, Mrs. Kirk tells the 911 operator 'please hurry' because he was scaring the kids and he was 'totally hallucinating.' "
Edibles give users a different kind of high than the one they get from smoking marijuana, largely because the pot is absorbed through the stomach instead of the lungs. The effects are slower to arrive, generally last longer and can be more intense because people unwittingly eat more than they intend to. On the other hand, people who smoke pot get high quickly, allowing them to better regulate how stoned they're getting.
"When you're smoking, you reach a certain level of highness ... and forget to keep smoking," says Denver forensic psychologist Max Wachtel, who counsels youth offenders. "It's in our nature to accidentally overuse edibles."
Naylor says that's what happened to him: He ate the recommended dose of ¼ of the cookie and waited an hour. When nothing happened, he ate more. "I didn't realize it would be such an intense and different high after that long," he says.
Under regulations that took effect last week, edible marijuana products cannot contain more than 100 mg of THC, the compound in marijuana that gets users high. But there's no standard for the size of those products. That means one candy bar can contain the same amount of THC as an entire bag of cookies. The regulations apply only to marijuana for recreational use; medical marijuana products can be much stronger but are available for legal purchase only with a doctor's recommendation. Colorado lawmakers agreed this week to spend $10 million to study the effects of marijuana use and to require better labeling of edibles, while barring them from being made into products "primarily marketed to children." Lawmakers also approved a measure that would lower the amount of marijuana-infused oil or butter that can be sold to consumers. Infused oils and butters contain concentrated marijuana at levels far higher than contained in the plant itself.
State regulators are considering whether to mandate portion sizes, which would help standardize the amount of marijuana in a candy bar or a soda.
Legalization opponents such as state Rep. Frank McNulty say the brightly packaged edibles appeal to kids who might not stop to read the tiny print warning that a Tootsie Roll-size candy contains the equivalent of multiple joints. Opponents also worry about the easy availability of edibles. On April 22, a school in northern Colorado suspended several students who brought both marijuana and pot edibles into the building, which they said they stole from their grandparents.
"They need to stop lacing kids' snacks with THC … and standardize these servings," says McNulty, a Republican who represents the Denver suburb of Highlands Ranch. McNulty sponsored two bills that would toughen marijuana regulations this legislative session. "Whatever is in that brownie, you're on it for the entire ride. There's no ability to self-regulate with edibles." Wachtel, the psychiatrist, says the difference between smoking a joint and consuming an edible is much like that between drinking hard liquor and beer. You can slam five shots before feeling the effects but can tell you're getting drunk after drinking five beers. "You're getting a ton more THC" in edibles, Wachtel says. "There's a real potential for danger."
Murray of CannLabs says Nayor's experience is fairly typical for first-time users of edible products. CannLabs is one of a handful of labs certified by Colorado to test marijuana edibles for potency and contaminants.
A computer screen inside the Denver offices of CannLabs shows a marijuana flower, next to a machine used to test the plants for potency and contaminants.
She says scientific testing is an important safeguard for consumers, especially first-time users. "You need to make sure you know what's in it and how it's going to affect your body," Murray says.
Because Colorado is the first state to legalize recreational marijuana, regulators have no best-practice rules to borrow from other states or the federal government, which considers marijuana an illegal drug, says Lewis Koski, director of Colorado's Marijuana Enforcement Division. "We were really starting from scratch," he says.
Supermarket foods and meats, along with alcohol and tobacco, are regulated at the state and federal levels. Prescription drugs must undergo extensive safety tests and regulatory scrutiny before being sold to the public, and even then only with a doctor's guidance.
AND STATES ARE STARTING TO LEGALIZE THIS DANGEROUS STUFF !!
Um 2 deaths connected? Give me proof or I'm going to consider that's a loose statement and those 2 deaths were people losing control of a car (which you SHOULDN'T be driving) or something similar. This "stuff" is NOT dangerous, I've been around folks who ingest and smoke marijuana for most of my life and I've never heard of anyone getting anything more than a little dizzy from edibles. This is ridiculous, I understand many of you are saying "people react differently". But the fact is, physically we react the same, mentally we don't. So all these intense "reactions" are merely mental, and are in the persons head. They get anxious from an unfamiliar feeling, which is totally understandable. Look, everyone agrees the kids a little jerk and it was rude to do what he did, but let's not get it twisted. The dangers of marijuana are few and far between and are inarguable miniscule in comparison to the dangers of alcohol.
29,001 (that's 29 freakin' thousand!) deaths related to alcohol in 2013, marijuana?....0...0 deaths. The only reason marijuana is illegal or was ever made illegal is money, pure an simple. It's myth of being dangerous and harmful is merely a testament to the government made propaganda that manipulates the public. Just think, if they've manipulated your perception on something as transparent as prohibition of marijuana, what else have they manipulated your perception on? Just some food for thought.
Um 2 deaths connected? Give me proof or I'm going to consider that's a loose statement and those 2 deaths were people losing control of a car (which you SHOULDN'T be driving) or something similar. This "stuff" is NOT dangerous, I've been around folks who ingest and smoke marijuana for most of my life and I've never heard of anyone getting anything more than a little dizzy from edibles. This is ridiculous, I understand many of you are saying "people react differently". But the fact is, physically we react the same, mentally we don't. So all these intense "reactions" are merely mental, and are in the persons head. They get anxious from an unfamiliar feeling, which is totally understandable. Look, everyone agrees the kids a little jerk and it was rude to do what he did, but let's not get it twisted. The dangers of marijuana are few and far between and are inarguable miniscule in comparison to the dangers of alcohol.
29,001 (that's 29 freakin' thousand!) deaths related to alcohol in 2013, marijuana?....0...0 deaths. The only reason marijuana is illegal or was ever made illegal is money, pure an simple. It's myth of being dangerous and harmful is merely a testament to the government made propaganda that manipulates the public. Just think, if they've manipulated your perception on something as transparent as prohibition of marijuana, what else have they manipulated your perception on? Just some food for thought.
What are you bringing alcohol into this thread for????
This study I posted was in complete relation to the OP's thread.
Go ahead and call USA today and dispute your disbelief of the article
What are you bringing alcohol into this thread for????
This study I posted was in complete relation to the OP's thread.
Go ahead and call USA today and dispute your disbelief of the article
In 1963 a sociologist named H.S Becker released a report saying that most of Marijuana's effects are actually learned rather than being a direct result of the plant. What that means is only those who truly understand it's effects can wield them properly. So if someone smokes it thinking they're going to freak out then they will, if they think they're going to chill and have a good time they will.
AND STATES ARE STARTING TO LEGALIZE THIS DANGEROUS STUFF !!
Even pro-weed groups like NORML recognize the difference between edibles and smoking. Among the differences is the longer time it takes edibles to impact the brain, leading those unfamiliar with edibles to consume much more than they should. NORML also warns about the more significant intoxication from ingesting over smoking.
So, even if the teacher had smoked weed, ingesting could easily be a different experience. Anyone who says all s/he'd feel was high, good, or hungry is blowing smoke.
What are you bringing alcohol into this thread for????
This study I posted was in complete relation to the OP's thread.
Go ahead and call USA today and dispute your disbelief of the article
Because:
1. You wrote that it was dangerous, it's not.
2. You mentioned food, tobacco, alcohol, etc. go through extensive safety tests....Really? are you that blind that you don't realize they poison all those things to make us addicted and use the cheapest methods possible holding absolutely no regard for public safety. There's no arguing with people like you. Yes I'm saying that your opinion and that USA today article is complete bias rubbish and the small amount of facts they do have in there are exaggerated and vague.
3. I find it laughable that you mention prescription drugs, the biggest drug threat in the ENTIRE COUNTRY. 60% of drug related deaths are from prescription drugs and a whopping 75% deaths are accidents (not abuse or suicide). Prescription drug companies are horrified of marijuana because it's a remedy for countless things and CANNOT kill you.
So keep sippin' the kool aid and continue to be part of the problem.
2. You mentioned food, tobacco, alcohol, etc. go through extensive safety tests....Really? are you that blind that you don't realize they poison all those things to make us addicted and use the cheapest methods possible holding absolutely no regard for public safety. There's no arguing with people like you. Yes I'm saying that your opinion and that USA today article is complete bias rubbish and the small amount of facts they do have in there are exaggerated and vague.
3. I find it laughable that you mention prescription drugs, the biggest drug threat in the ENTIRE COUNTRY. 60% of drug related deaths are from prescription drugs and a whopping 75% deaths are accidents (not abuse or suicide). Prescription drug companies are horrified of marijuana because it's a remedy for countless things and CANNOT kill you.
So keep sippin' the kool aid and continue to be part of the problem.
Hold on sports fans... you're saying it isn't dangerous... clarify dangerous please
For me marijuana is very dangerous... danger meaning risk vs reward to our world
I have posted up scads of evidence that the marijuana you... not you personally.. but globally may be dangerous as you get or use it...
Those pesky 400 chemicals and then those who adulterate it... are you saying those aren't dangerous ?....
Straw man argument other things are dangerous too..yawn.. why add more...
Ignorant bliss beyond any test... common sense... but..that. too is lacking in people who seek stupefying narcotics to escape reality... insert any drug you like
So, even if the teacher had smoked weed, ingesting could easily be a different experience. Anyone who says all s/he'd feel was high, good, or hungry is blowing smoke.
Yer exactly correct, jazz. All I feel when I eat edibles is that (a) I want another cookie (b) disappointed I DO NOT get ANY effect WHATSOEVER from the ingestion. (c) that smoking the hash I put into the cookies would have been a FAR better idea (d) fortunate that because I grow it, I didn't waste any $$ figuring out that the only affect I see from ingesting edibles is the enjoyment of the taste of the edible.
So yeah...anyone who says all s/he'd feel was high, good, or hungry is blowing smoke...'cus not everyone loses their shat/is hospitalized/has a(ny) reaction to "edibles"....certainly not to the blanketed point of intoxication/sickness/damnation etc/etc/etc/ we are seeing in this thread.
I was unknowingly (until I started feeling "that" feeling) dosed in '74 at a Todd Rundgren concert....not on weed cookies...bit on LSD. Nobody went to jail... but I sure went places...
Hold on sports fans... you're saying it isn't dangerous... clarify dangerous please
For me marijuana is very dangerous... danger meaning risk vs reward to our world
I have posted up scads of evidence that the marijuana you... not you personally.. but globally may be dangerous as you get or use it...
Those pesky 400 chemicals and then those who adulterate it... are you saying those aren't dangerous ?....
Straw man argument other things are dangerous too..yawn.. why add more...
Ignorant bliss beyond any test... common sense... but..that. too is lacking in people who seek stupefying narcotics to escape reality... insert any drug you like
I'm glad you aren't packing my parachute
Ok then everything is dangerous:
-crossing the street
-eating food that isn't organic
-eating swordfish
-driving a car
-drinking soda
-going to a concert
-going to a sporting event
-boating
-fishing
-using a stove
..................................i could go on and on and on....
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