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What fraternity did that? What university has allowed that to happen on their campus??
And in reference to what your talking about, they were considering charging Mike Brown's stepfather for inciting a riot after an emotionally charged comment where his son was killed.
You really have no leg to stand on here.
No leg except the constitution. There is no difference between arresting a person for those song lyrics and expelling students for them in a public school. It's both adverse government action protected by the first amendment
Freedom of speech is only freedom if the speaker is allowed to say things that are unpopular and not PC. So flag burning is free speech. "Kill cops" is free speech, but college students being racist is not free speech? What country is this again?
Go try doing any of those things at work and see what happens. Doesn't matter if your employer is private or public.
Most of those are not in the constitution, they are just judge-made exception. I doubt any would apply here. There is no "hate speech" exception. A threat is a huge stretch.
Judicial review was established in 1803 in Marbury vs Madison.
Limitations on free speech that present a "clear and present danger" was established in Schenck vs US in 1919.
The kids in Oklahoma are world-class scum. But when I enlisted I took an
oath to defend the Constitution which applies equally to every American, whether
Oklahoma scum or elitist liberal Berkeley scum.
I don't know if those Berkeley people - and that is a hypothetical situation, while Oklahoma is real - advocate murder or terrorism. If they do, they should get it like the racists in Oklahoma got it. Fair enough?
Yeah, it can, in the sense that the charter for a student organization can be revoked because of violations of pre-determined agreements. There are a number of reasons for this. A public state school is not an arm of the federal government, which is what the First Amendment governs and protects. Moreover, federal protections of free speech do not preclude criticisms of any ensuing speech; anyone engaging in free speech is completely liable to have his or her speech be open to criticism or rebuttal; no foul there.
Further, the "harm principle," which is open to interpretation without a doubt, may come into play, and it may come to bear on libelous, slanderous, seditious, or "fighting words" speech. Freedom of speech rights do not mean being able to say whatever one wants without sanction; they rather mean being able to say what one wants without criminal prosecution on a federal level so long as standards of the "harm principle" are not violated, and I do understand that what the "harm principle" means is murky. But that is why we humans make hopefully well-intentioned arguments and try to figure out what things mean over time. That said, free speech very well may entail consequences at other levels than the federal, which is exactly what is happening at OU. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Just because I can say whatever I want doesn't mean that I should, nor does it mean that I should abandon thinking about the consequences of what I say. And just because I have been granted a right does not mean that I should expect not to be criticized for exercising it.
I'm not defending them, I'm defending a constitutional right.
When I compare the thoughts expressed in your words to those of OU president Boren, I am refreshed by one and repelled by the other.
There is a constitutional right to be an *-hole, within limits. There is a constitutional right to express points of view that others find objectionable. This is not what you are defending. You are defending a terroristic threat. I hope your descendants and collateral descendants marry a rainbow of ethnicities and colors and sexual identities.
Humans are tribal beings, and the issue at hand has been fought ever since the second tribe formed. We will be battling this until the end of time. But the most objectionable and intolerable manifestations of it can be kept out of a civil society.
The kids in Oklahoma are world-class scum. But when I enlisted I took an oath to defend the Constitution which applies equally to every American, whether Oklahoma scum or elitist liberal Berkeley scum.
no one is saying throw them in jail or deny them from ever attending another university.
Considering the debauchery I experienced as a college student on and off campus among fellow college students the stupid song is nothing. Blacks use ****** all the time. Betcha if black kids singing some song with ****** in it or kill whitey or kill po-po no one would care.
Funny item: Unreconstructed older white southener I work with commented regarding this incident, "Folks need to realize no one will ever like ******s. They [The forcing of PC] can try to control our mouths but never our minds."
And the man in your example is a dumbass for thinking that his skin color is a great accomplishment.
Racist are some of the stupidest humans on the planet. And they never actually accomplish anything. Just always point the finger.
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Well said!
