How can a public university expel students for singing? (cost, politician, support)

[DC at the Ridge]

This article agrees with the First Amendment argument that's been posted here.

No, a public university may not expel students for racist speech - The Washington Post

But I think OU is going with the disruption to the educational process argument.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by uggabugga

from your link - get a load of this part:

That action is racist and threatening, especially considering Shabazz's very public statement about killing Whites and invoking Black Power (symbolized by one's fist raised into the air). OU's president now has to expel Ard. He has similarly created a supposed "hostile learning environment," and this one actually on campus.

Who here thinks that will happen?

[DC at the Ridge]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

"Hostile learning environment?" Did this happen in the classroom?

That's one of the hallmarks of a university. That the learning environment is not confined to the classroom.

[Kibby]

Originally Posted by prospectheightsresident

And let the legal battle begin! Expect FIRE to pay for the students' legal defense fund. This won't be a cheap battle, but the law is ultimately on the students' side in my view. Hopefully, this goes all the way up to the Supreme Court so that the national standard is clarified/strengthened.

At the peaceful demonstration held by minority advocacy group Unheard Monday morning, Boren said there is no way “legally” to remove the students from campus. But at the press conference, he said he might have found a way to get them kicked out.

“There were some parts where it just seemed like empty rhetoric,” he said.

Ard also wants to see “structural” change with how OU is handling the incident, he said.

“They need to give students of color… reparations… resources for us to thrive in this university,” he said. “(Black bodies) are not thriving now.”

It will be an expensive battle -- and it still won't address the problem.
OU would have been better off to just give them the Reparations they will continue to demand.
The Law is now what some Judge will say it is. Educational Environment is on a bus going to a Frat Party and "hurtful" speech at a University can get you expelled. Sad situation all around.

[uggabugga]

Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge

That's one of the hallmarks of a university. That the learning environment is not confined to the classroom.

drunk, on a bus en route to a party is a 'learning environment'?

[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by prospectheightsresident

And you wrote that post in response to an argument on the constitutionality on OSU's proposed suspensions/expulsions of the students in question because . . .?

I was only correcting someone else's mistake.

[2nd trick op]

In reading the first few posts here, you can understand that to the Politically Correct, precedent and principle have no meaning whatsoever; the end simply justifies the means, and the elite few will decide what's best for all of us.

[mrmondaynight]

In case anyone is curious and/or haven't seen it in action yet, this topic right here is why nothing will change regarding racism in America.

These young men were born in the mid to late 90s. It's hard to believe we still live in such a country. A huge problem is these kids would have grown up to be in positions where they can affect the lives of people they were joking about hanging when they were college students in a fraternity.

Talking about this type of stuff with white people in real life, or online makes me want to sometimes just say "White people don't give a ****". But then I realize that it's probably that mindset of broad strokes, that has lead to this "race" bull**** destroying so many lives and being a plague on history.I just don't get it, why in the world is that so many people find it okay to look down on others without even thinking twice? And these are the future leaders?

These clowns are about to learn a valuable lesson in life (presumably). Good thing they're white; they're starting off with an advantage.

[KayAnn246]

Good for the University for expelling these people. It's an outrage, end of story!

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by Outspoken Expert

So a group of fraternity members in a bus chanted racist slogans on a bus and someone videotaped it. What they said is wrong, but is it really that big of story that it deserves to be the lead on the NBC Nightly News. There are millions of racist college students saying things like that all the time. You can't tell people what to think no matter how hard the media tries to lead society.

Isn't there a thousand other issues and things that happened yesterday that are more important?

Why single out NBC? All stations, including Fox, are reporting it. Fox also came up with a 2013 tape showing the frat's 79 year old house mom, signing the N word. This tape had been previously posted on social media.

There appears to be an established pattern.

Turn off your TV if you don't like the story.