If Obamacare is a Job Killer... (drugs, bias, party, elections)

[T-310]

Originally Posted by pghquest

So now the CBO, is lying?

Only if it disagrees with his dear leader.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by RaymondChandlerLives

Cool, memorize this and repeat it to every right-wing Limbaugh Parrot who thinks the ACA is killing jobs and/or turning us into a part-time economy.

Is this what passes for a quality discussion in your circle? It used to for me, in 4th grade.

just say hate hate hate hate, blah blah blah blah, it would have had far more relevance.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by djmilf

Since when are these 'my postings'?

They're your own specially googled up links to articles that are at least three years old. Did you even bother to read any of them?

PGH, my man...

From your last link:

If you can't understand your own citations, what's the point in even posting?

But then to understand, you must first actually read your own citations.

The discussion isnt your postings, its the CBO analysis and how they score the costs of bills based upon what they are asked.

Try again.

[pghquest]

Originally Posted by Mag3.14

Here is a cut & paste from two "Economist" articles on the ACA. It is definitely not a "job killer" - it may have some negative effects on some jobs, but it creates jobs in other areas.


Preliminary diagnosis

For supporters of Obamacare, it is clear that the reforms are empowering patients, driving public and private health insurers to achieve better value, forcing existing providers to shape up and providing opportunities for disruptive newcomers.

And the revolution has only just begun. Overall the CBO projects that, if the law is unchanged, net federal spending for the government’s main health-care programmes in 2039 will be 8% of GDP, about 15% less than had been projected in 2010. Projections for Medicare and Medicaid spending between 2011-2020 have been revised downwards by $1.1 trillion. The government also claims that since 2011 some 50,000 fewer patients died in hospitals as a result of Obamacare.

Far from bankrupting the nation, as its critics predicted, Obamacare may be making medicine thriftier.


Health care in America: Shock treatment | The Economist

Health policy (1): Will Obamacare cut costs? | The Economist

Then why is the CBO projecting $1.7trillion in deficit spending for the bill while living 30 million uninsured?

[djmilf]

Originally Posted by pghquest

So lets take YOUR posting, shall we?

Originally Posted by djmilf

Since when are these 'my postings'?

Originally Posted by pghquest

The discussion isnt your postings

[djmilf]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Then why is the CBO projecting $1.7trillion in deficit spending for the bill while living 30 million uninsured?

"You ain't gonna learn what you don't want to know" - Bob Weir.

[Mag3.14]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Then why is the CBO projecting $1.7trillion in deficit spending for the bill while living 30 million uninsured?

Why don't you read the articles.

[Winter_Sucks]

Originally Posted by T-310

Only if it disagrees with his dear leader.

You mean the same CBO that just this week said the law would cost hundreds of billions of dollars less than previously expected?

[mkpunk]

I think Obamacare was another setback on top of having the economy tank with seeing jobs become part-time and the duties of a former worker going to two to five other workers. Now that the economy is turning around, it is a bit different and not as much of a deturent. I think somewhat hurts jobs but the effect is more effective in a recession and recovery rather than a somewhat booming economy.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

Clinton: " For People for a Change"

Bush 2: "A Kinder, Gentler Nation"

Ross: " Ross for Boss"

You miss the entire point.

People screamed "Bush lied" for 8 years.

Obama turns out to be Bush-Cubed (Bush^3).

In an act of obvious transparency (snicker), Obama --- in an unprecedented act -- classifies the White House Visitors Logs for reasons of National Security.

The American Hospital Association gave....

$779 Million to Obama for America 2008
$260 Million to DNC 2008
$428 Million to RNC 2008

Source: American Hospital Association Pac (2008 Election) - US Campaign Committees

And that's why the Visitor were really hidden.....Obama didn't want Americans to know that the American Hospital Association bought the PPACA.

Originally Posted by Mag3.14

Here is a cut & paste from two "Economist" articles on the ACA. It is definitely not a "job killer" - it may have some negative effects on some jobs, but it creates jobs in other areas.

Fail, but thanks for giving us an great Straw Man Example.

Preliminary diagnosis

For supporters of Obamacare, it is clear that the reforms are empowering patients, driving public and private health insurers to achieve better value, forcing existing providers to shape up and providing opportunities for disruptive newcomers.

The morons at the Economist are so damn dumb, they think the price of auto insurance drives up the price of cars.

Having insurers achieve better value does not help anyone.

The problem in your healthcare system has always been -- since 1933 -- your Soviet-style system of Medical Care.

The problem is hospitals charging $55,000 for an appendectomy that really costs $2,800 including a built-in 20% profit margin.

The problem is hospitals charging $117,000 for assistant surgeon fees -- a mere four hours -- that really only costs $3,600 including a built-in profit margin.

The problems is hospitals charging $1.3 Million for a complicated premature birth that really only costs $65,000.

How lame is the Economist if they cannot even identify the underlying problem and primary causal factor?

Granted, the $55,000 appendectomy was "settled" for $11,000 by insurers, but that still highlights the problems, which are with your Medicare Care, not your Payment System.

How said is it the Economist can't even bring itself to admit that charging $55,000 for a $2,800 appendectomy is the problem?

The solution to this problem is the elimination of the State laws that grant Anti-Trust Exemptions for hospitals, which would spur Free Market reforms, lowering tght cost of Medical Care, in turn lowering the cost of "health insurance."
I'm guessing the Communist Economist doesn't want Free Market reforms.

And the revolution has only just begun. Overall the CBO projects that, if the law is unchanged, net federal spending for the government’s main health-care programmes in 2039 will be 8% of GDP, about 15% less than had been projected in 2010. Projections for Medicare and Medicaid spending between 2011-2020 have been revised downwards by $1.1 trillion. The government also claims that since 2011 some 50,000 fewer patients died in hospitals as a result of Obamacare.

Far from bankrupting the nation, as its critics predicted, Obamacare may be making medicine thriftier.

As I pointed out on numerous occasions, you were headed toward a recession.

The only reason you didn't have a recession, is due to the fact that Obama violated the Constitution by issuing Executive Orders delaying key provisions of the ACA from being implemented.

Did you forget about that?Apparently you and the Communist Economist both forgot.

Well, now you have something new to think about.

Originally Posted by RaymondChandlerLives

Cool, memorize this and repeat it to every right-wing Limbaugh Parrot who thinks the ACA is killing jobs and/or turning us into a part-time economy.

An economy of temporary employees is a part-time economy.

Are you referring to the Seasonally Adjusted Limbaugh Parrot?

'Cause Seasonally Adjusted things don't really exist...

Mircea