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Old 03-13-2015, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Some states such as Oklahoma are just regarded as one of the highly boring flyover states by liberals and other people who don't support discrimination. Even though it is close to the center of the nation, it's a state many people would not think would be a good place to hold a major convention. So there's just not much for Oklahoma to lose as was the case with Arizona. On the other hand, Texas is a much bigger and more popular state. I would be shocked if it can get buy passing laws targeting gays for discrimination.
I had a place on Lake Tenkiller in OK for several years. I love OK and have so many fond memories. I met a lot of people there and I do understand where the religious angst over gay marriage and the threat they see to their way of life is coming from. In the end, though, I have hope for Oklahoma. It is a far more accepting place, face-to-face, than many think it is.
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Old 03-13-2015, 04:28 PM
 
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Slippery slope.

I would not want to eat something made by people who felt they were forced to serve me.

On the other hand, I can interpret or create a religion that could be used to justify not serving just about anyone I don't want to.

Don't the people of Oklahoma have something better to do?
Employers have been forced to make 'reasonable accommodations' for an employee's religious beliefs for decades. Somehow, it's done. If employees are making up phony religious beliefs, it's apparently not been awful enough to repeal the law.
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Old 03-13-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Employers have been forced to make 'reasonable accommodations' for an employee's religious beliefs for decades. Somehow, it's done. If employees are making up phony religious beliefs, it's apparently not been awful enough to repeal the law.
This proposed law is unnecessary, since there is no statewide law protecting gays from discrimination in Oklahoma. But maybe it's thought it could be used to ban or discourage local laws in Oklahoma that protect gays from discrimination.

At least the hate isn't quite universal in Oklahoma. My rep, a Democrat, voted against the bill. The rep in the district next to mine voted against it as well, and interestingly enough is a Republican.
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Old 03-13-2015, 06:41 PM
 
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Remember this is the state that tried to ban Sharia Law. I guess the Christian version is a-ok. Maybe everyone in OK should wear armbands identifying what religion, sexual orientation, gender and political viewpoints they hold or are.

I think that no-one really cares about this state. Who ever says they want to vacation in Oklahoma??? Anyway, laws like this only further alienate it from the rest of the country and make it look like a back wood redneck regressive society. I feel bad for the good people of this state.

Oklahoma Ban on Sharia Law Unconstitutional, US Judge Rules - Law Blog - WSJ
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Old 03-13-2015, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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No wonder Oklahoma does what it has to do. It's still in the race with Mississippi toward the race to bottom. The state of Alabama is also in that race.
Do some states still allow lead in paint? Seems that way sometimes.
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Old 03-13-2015, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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Do some states still allow lead in paint? Seems that way sometimes.
I always used to think it was something in the water...LOL
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Old 03-13-2015, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Remember this is the state that tried to ban Sharia Law. I guess the Christian version is a-ok. Maybe everyone in OK should wear armbands identifying what religion, sexual orientation, gender and political viewpoints they hold or are.

I think that no-one really cares about this state. Who ever says they want to vacation in Oklahoma??? Anyway, laws like this only further alienate it from the rest of the country and make it look like a back wood redneck regressive society. I feel bad for the good people of this state.

Oklahoma Ban on Sharia Law Unconstitutional, US Judge Rules - Law Blog - WSJ
Oklahoma never grew up from its very conservative Christian culture that started from the very beginning. When Oklahoma became a state in 1907, its first state act was to create Jim Crow laws. Not long after that alcohol was prohibited. After alcohol prohibition was repealed at the federal level in 1933, Oklahoma's response to it was to only allow 3.2% beer. Otherwise, alcohol prohibition was not repealed until 1959. However, liquor by the drink continued to be banned until 1984. Until that year, airlines had to be careful about not flying drinking passengers over dry air space--Oklahoma. The stewardess would grab your drink, whether you were finished with it, or not. Today, unlike in most other states, 3.2% beer still remains and is only sold in grocers and convenience stores with option to sell it chilled. It is the strongest alcohol allowed to be sold there. Of course, liquor stores carry stronger, but strangely enough, are not allowed to sell anything chilled.

It must have required a miracle for Oklahoma to approve of things as unChristian as lotteries and casinos over 15 years ago.
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Old 03-13-2015, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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I can't really understand why the Religious Right is so upset about their perceived conceptions of gay sin. Doesn't the Bible also say divorce is a oneway ticket to Hell? How can a couple of gay folks getting married be a bigger threat to "traditional marriage" than divorce?
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Old 03-13-2015, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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[quote=jjrose;38806794]Oklahoma is passing a "religious freedom act" that would allow business to refuse service to customers based on religious beliefs.
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf...1371%20INT.PDF

An amendment has been introduced that would make listing those you will not serve in your business.
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf...IRGINEM-AM.PDF

As much as I'm against discrimination in businesses, I like this idea. It would be nice to know ahead of time if a business would serve me. That way I don't waste my time or money dealing with them.
If your beliefs are so strong you should be proud to post them on your door.

What do you think about businesses being required to list who they won't serve?[/quote


If I believe that GOD punished the descendants of Cain by making them all black or brown that I can refuse to serve them?
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Old 03-13-2015, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I can't really understand why the Religious Right is so upset about their perceived conceptions of gay sin. Doesn't the Bible also say divorce is a oneway ticket to Hell? How can a couple of gay folks getting married be a bigger threat to "traditional marriage" than divorce?
I figure most Religious Right people find gay sex to be quite grossly repugnant and want to discriminate against people who do sex that way and run to the Bible to justify why they should feel that way. Don't they think the only proper and Godly way to have sex is in the missionary position? Who knows how much they would want to discriminate against individual straight people, who they somehow found out how they enjoyed having sex in other ways, such as orally?
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