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I thought this article would be appropriate for this forum as we see these arguments and tactics used so often here on CD. In order to form a logical and educated opinion, it is necessary to be able to separate logical fallacy from logic, as when you can do that you have the tools to separate the truth from the lies.
Many of those rebuttals are not much more than his own opinions, being offered in response to some other hypothetical person's opinions... and a lot of them are actually really silly and getting upset about them will certainly derail a discussion extremely quickly.
Disagreeing with paranoid libertarians doesn't automatically mean you're using a fallacy.
Many of those rebuttals are not much more than his own opinions, being offered in response to some other hypothetical person's opinions... and a lot of them are actually really silly and getting upset about them will certainly derail a discussion extremely quickly.
Disagreeing with paranoid libertarians doesn't automatically mean you're using a fallacy.
That's the way I read it also. Many of them are strawmen he created. As an example. (I'm picking an easy one)
“You don’t have to like what the police/military are doing, but you should support them”
I've seen very few if any make this argument. Generally the argument is one side supporting what they did and they other not supporting it. Rarely if ever does the argument go "I agree that it's wrong but we have to support it".
Many of those rebuttals are not much more than his own opinions, being offered in response to some other hypothetical person's opinions... and a lot of them are actually really silly and getting upset about them will certainly derail a discussion extremely quickly.
Disagreeing with paranoid libertarians doesn't automatically mean you're using a fallacy.
Fallacies are easily identified once people are educated to spot them. The propagandists do not want people to understand logical fallacies because once they do, propaganda looses its value.
Don;t bother reading the list. Just use this rule of thumb: when a conservative is moving his lips, lies and propaganda are coming out. That's all you need to know.
That's the way I read it also. Many of them are strawmen he created. As an example. (I'm picking an easy one)
“You don’t have to like what the police/military are doing, but you should support them”
I've seen very few if any make this argument. Generally the argument is one side supporting what they did and they other not supporting it. Rarely if ever does the argument go "I agree that it's wrong but we have to support it".
Really? I have seen this argument more times than I can count, as in most cases the incidents being discussed have little defense of their actions. This defense comes in various forms such as....
"Police have a difficult job to do" "Most Police are honest, there are only a few bad apples" "Without police you would have chaos" "Only criminals do not support police" "I have never had a bad experience with police" and they go on and on and on. They are all forms of logical fallacies and to someone who knows how to spot them have no validity whatsoever.
Fallacies are easily identified once people are educated to spot them. The propagandists do not want people to understand logical fallacies because once they do, propaganda looses its value.
You would get a better education from reading a book on informal logic than by listening to some random idiot on a right-wing libertarian site, especially since the latter isn't education at all. You could even do better googling a list of fallacies with definitions (assuming you read the entire page and don't just scan it, assume you get it and move on).
I wish more people would try to educate themselves-- it would save me a lot of time and frustration trying to explain why they've committed a fallacy, why I'm not just trying to deceive them by pointing it out, or why they're wrong in accusing me of committing some fallacy that they don't actually understand. But usually the problem is they're just saying it's a fallacy because they think that 'fallacy' is a synonym for 'wrong' or 'bad', which are also synonyms for 'liberal', 'socialist', 'communist' and 'leftist' in their minds.
And seriously-- saying 'our government' is propaganda?
Using the pronoun 'our' isn't fallacious, it's descriptive. Just because you acknowledge that there is a government in the country in which you live, it doesn't mean you agree with what it's doing, or agree that there should even be a government. Are we all supposed to live in a fantasy world so that the libertarians can be happy?
Isn't Zero Hedge one of the very many Mother Jones of the Right? I have a feeling they've been discredited for their hyperinflation conspiracy theories before
Really? I have seen this argument more times than I can count, as in most cases the incidents being discussed have little defense of their actions. This defense comes in various forms such as....
"Police have a difficult job to do" "Most Police are honest, there are only a few bad apples" "Without police you would have chaos" "Only criminals do not support police" "I have never had a bad experience with police" and they go on and on and on. They are all forms of logical fallacies and to someone who knows how to spot them have no validity whatsoever.
You are making my point for me. It's odd you don't even realize it. In none of your examples are the people saying that they disagree with what is being done but they have to respect it anyway.
A good portion of your examples are even factual and I have no idea what point you are trying to make with them. Most people probably don't ever have a bad experience with the police.
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