Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 03-16-2015, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Camberville
15,860 posts, read 21,438,888 times
Reputation: 28199

Advertisements

Many other countries have at least 3 if not 5 or 6 major parties. There's a lot more divergence within the GOP and Democrats because they are used as great big catch-alls. The Democratic party as a whole, for instance, is barely center left. There is no where for true leftists to go where their votes matter (since the Green party isn't going anywhere), so many get lumped into the Democratic ticket - myself included.

The same is true of the Republicans. While it seems to be coming back from the precipices of the religious right, there's a lot of infighting between younger Republicans who are sick and tired of the party leaders ragging on things they don't see as mattering (anti-gay marriage and anti-marijuana are two big ones) don't have elsewhere to go.

Not sure why infighting should be a shock. It's a good thing when individuals don't toe the party line.

 
Old 03-16-2015, 06:10 PM
 
26,494 posts, read 15,070,512 times
Reputation: 14643
Quote:
Originally Posted by greywar View Post
Ahhhh....good response actually, with some painful truths in it as well. I disagree about the lockstep conformity, but the rest isn't all that off in my opinion. I wish the Right was better on any of this. So far I haven't seen it. I keep hoping that someone on the right will show up as a presidential candidate that at least acts like they will do better. Ditto on the left. Its entirely possible I will vote third party this year at the rate these idiots are going.
Thanks for being honest. Not enough Americans are honest or thinkers. We can have differences of opinion, but we need to start thinking as a society. If we were honest thinkers, just about everyone in DC, both parties, would have been primaried out.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 06:22 PM
 
34,278 posts, read 19,368,360 times
Reputation: 17261
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
I think blind party loyalty is actually a bigger problem, than taking a stance on issues.
Agreed! Anyone who votes based solely upon the R or D after someones name deserves the government they get.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 08:47 PM
 
41,110 posts, read 25,730,963 times
Reputation: 13868
The unhappy person will gravitate to liberalism and liberalism will in turn make them more unhappy by reinforcing and encouraging "their view" of victimhood.

Liberals are people who allow feelings to govern them, the less happy they will be. And the further left one goes, the more importance one attaches to feelings.

Imagine two Americans living in essentially identical socioeconomic conditions. They earn $45,000 a year, they have the same amount of debt on their homes, and both have the same number of dependents. One seeks governmental assistance wherever possible; the other does not. Which one is likely to be the liberal and which one is likely to be the happier individual? The one who yearns for governmental help is the one who is likely to be both liberal and less happy. Conservatism, which demands self-reliance, makes one happier. The more a man or woman feels like captain of his or her ship (as poor as that ship may be), the happier he or she will be.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 08:55 PM
 
41,110 posts, read 25,730,963 times
Reputation: 13868
Liberals see people who disagree as evil: Liberals see themselves as part of a Manichean struggle in which they’re trying to create Utopia on earth while they’re being opposed by people who want to do evil for evil’s sake. In other words, liberals are about as complex as your average comic book from the fifties.

Liberals tend to believe they're brilliant, compassionate, moral, enlightened, perceptive, and courageous, not because of anything they've actually done, but just because they're liberal. When you completely divorce a person's self image from his behavior, it produces terrible results -- like liberals who hurl abuse at conservative women while believing that they're feminists or selfish left-wingers who've never given a dime to charity, but believe themselves to be much more compassionate than people who tithe 10% of their income.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 08:56 PM
 
34,278 posts, read 19,368,360 times
Reputation: 17261
Quote:
Originally Posted by petch751 View Post
The unhappy person will gravitate to liberalism and liberalism will in turn make them more unhappy by reinforcing and encouraging "their view" of victimhood.

Liberals are people who allow feelings to govern them, the less happy they will be. And the further left one goes, the more importance one attaches to feelings.

Imagine two Americans living in essentially identical socioeconomic conditions. They earn $45,000 a year, they have the same amount of debt on their homes, and both have the same number of dependents. One seeks governmental assistance wherever possible; the other does not. Which one is likely to be the liberal and which one is likely to be the happier individual? The one who yearns for governmental help is the one who is likely to be both liberal and less happy. Conservatism, which demands self-reliance, makes one happier. The more a man or woman feels like captain of his or her ship (as poor as that ship may be), the happier he or she will be.
9 out of the 10 poorest states vote Republican.

Just pointing that out here. Facts, not feelings.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 08:58 PM
 
41,110 posts, read 25,730,963 times
Reputation: 13868
Quote:
Originally Posted by greywar View Post
Agreed! Anyone who votes based solely upon the R or D after someones name deserves the government they get.
Anyone who voted R or D is just a useful tool for that party. That party also knows they have that group and doesn't have to work for them and won't work for them. Anyone who votes based on skin color is also a tool.
 
Old 03-16-2015, 11:39 PM
 
34,278 posts, read 19,368,360 times
Reputation: 17261
Quote:
Originally Posted by petch751 View Post
Anyone who voted R or D is just a useful tool for that party. That party also knows they have that group and doesn't have to work for them and won't work for them. Anyone who votes based on skin color is also a tool.
Yup. On this me and you are in agreement.
 
Old 03-17-2015, 07:39 PM
 
26,494 posts, read 15,070,512 times
Reputation: 14643
Quote:
Originally Posted by greywar View Post
9 out of the 10 poorest states vote Republican.

Just pointing that out here. Facts, not feelings.
If you break down voter demographics - the poorest ones vote Democrat.

By Education, the poorest group are high school drop outs - Obama had a massive landslide victory in this group.

By Family status, the poorest group Single Mothers Obama won by a large margin.

By Race, the poorer the group the bigger Obama's margin of victory pretty much.

Straight up by income the lowest group, you know actual poor people - Obama won.


It is so easy to point out by state, but then ignore who in that state is voting red versus blue.


Why not point out by counties instead of states? Obama won less than 25% of the counties nationwide, yet Obama DOMINATED the list of poorest counties, DOMINATED the list of counties with highest welfare rates, etc...


Democrats also claim to have more feelings about the poor and "care." So their message is tailored to winning and holding on to this poor vote.

If someone doesn't think that the Democrats beat the Republicans in the poor vote - they either are lying or ignorant of reality. Nonetheless, millions of poor do vote GOP, but the Democrats are winning the poor vote hands down - and this is not debatable among sane-informed-honest people.
 
Old 03-17-2015, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
9,701 posts, read 5,111,909 times
Reputation: 4270
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
If that's right, then how do we explain the Tea Party protests?
This comment should have locked the thread
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:18 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top