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My church is a contributor to one of the soup kitchens in Boulder. When I've helped, they had a prayer before the meal, nothing more.
Absoletely, I never said that all missions require this, but a surprising number do! And thats my point. By moving to a faith based eat or be forced to listen to prayers, or participate we're creating a religion based environment. Your soup kitchens are a mild example, I presume people are allowed to not participate.
How would you feel if Islamic missions were setup that required you to listen to a sermon about Allah for 15 minutes before you could stay the night? Would that be just as OK?
What if they were funded from Saudi Arabia? Still OK?
how about the church of Scientology?
I'm not OK with either. Its wrong to try and move peoples necessities into forced religious indoctrination. But many churches would absolutely love it.
And even you admit-you didn't screen those, you state "its possible some might require some sort of church attendance".
Remember this is how you started before you changed the goal posts:
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Oh, B! S! I don't know of a shelter that does that! I have heard of some who won't take in people who are intoxicated, but that's it.
The far left is continuing to be anti-Christian and pro-Islam/atheist. We have Obama(who claims to be a Christian) dissing Christianity, we have the far left liberals trying to challenge everything to do with religion(or, Christianity and Judaism), and liberals trying to take away businesses rights(See, Hobby Lobby) or the rights of the Catholic owned Hospitals. Then of course, there's the issue of gay marriage and abortion.
The African-American Christians are mostly Democrat. For the most part, they are very religious, even more so than many white Christians. Will they realize that the Democrats aren't actually on their side, and they are members of a party that is becoming more and more anti-Christian? How about all those Catholic Hispanics?
You've made 5 or 6 statements that are simply opinion and you have presented not an iota of evidence to back one of them up. The far left is not "continuing" and never has been "pro-Islam." Obama does not "diss" Christianity--that is simply being over-sensitive to intellectual arguments he has presented.
I am totally confused as to why you have thrown Judaism into the mix, as most American Jews are liberal and would probably never join the Republican party due to their core beliefs regarding social justice, equality and acceptance.
The entire premise as you have presented it is totally faulty, having no logic to it whatsoever, and you are conflating abortion, gay marriage and Catholic hospitals with being open-minded.
So I would wager -- No -- Democrats who are Christians will not, in fact, be turned off by the Democratic party and turn to Republican party. I also think that it is much more likely that because so many Republicans act so very unChristian-like in their attitude toward others that this would turn off true Christians (who practice the principles of Christianity), to a much higher degree.
However, I do believe that the Republican anti-science stance does turn off science-minded Republicans.
The far left is continuing to be anti-Christian and pro-Islam/atheist. We have Obama(who claims to be a Christian) dissing Christianity, we have the far left liberals trying to challenge everything to do with religion(or, Christianity and Judaism), and liberals trying to take away businesses rights(See, Hobby Lobby) or the rights of the Catholic owned Hospitals. Then of course, there's the issue of gay marriage and abortion.
The African-American Christians are mostly Democrat. For the most part, they are very religious, even more so than many white Christians. Will they realize that the Democrats aren't actually on their side, and they are members of a party that is becoming more and more anti-Christian? How about all those Catholic Hispanics?
This Christians I know were more apt to vote for the Republicans 10 years ago than they are today. The Religious Right has really jumped the shark. I suspect we'll see a growing Religious Left in the future.
There is a growing movement called The Christian Left, long overdue.
Absoletely, I never said that all missions require this, but a surprising number do! And thats my point. By moving to a faith based eat or be forced to listen to prayers, or participate we're creating a religion based environment. Your soup kitchens are a mild example, I presume people are allowed to not participate.
How would you feel if Islamic missions were setup that required you to listen to a sermon about Allah for 15 minutes before you could stay the night? Would that be just as OK?
What if they were funded from Saudi Arabia? Still OK?
how about the church of Scientology?
I'm not OK with either. Its wrong to try and move peoples necessities into forced religious indoctrination. But many churches would absolutely love it.
And even you admit-you didn't screen those, you state "its possible some might require some sort of church attendance".
Remember this is how you started before you changed the goal posts:
What the H*ll (since we're talking about religion) is your issue? Would it be better for these people to sleep outside in the bitter cold? Funded by Saudi Arabia? What kind of foolishness is that? (Saudi Arabia is supposedly our friend, anyway.) That sounds like that anti-Catholic stuff that Kennedy had to face when he ran for president, funded by the Holy See, etc? Listen to yourself.
BTW, how much volunteer work have you done for the homeless? Or the poor?
The far left is continuing to be anti-Christian and pro-Islam/atheist. We have Obama(who claims to be a Christian) dissing Christianity, we have the far left liberals trying to challenge everything to do with religion(or, Christianity and Judaism), and liberals trying to take away businesses rights(See, Hobby Lobby) or the rights of the Catholic owned Hospitals. Then of course, there's the issue of gay marriage and abortion.
The African-American Christians are mostly Democrat. For the most part, they are very religious, even more so than many white Christians. Will they realize that the Democrats aren't actually on their side, and they are members of a party that is becoming more and more anti-Christian? How about all those Catholic Hispanics?
Well, as a registered Democrat and Christian I support a separation of church and state. There is absolutely nothing the left is currently doing that would influence me to be a conservative. Nothing...
What the H*ll (since we're talking about religion) is your issue? Would it be better for these people to sleep outside in the bitter cold? Funded by Saudi Arabia? What kind of foolishness is that? (Saudi Arabia is supposedly our friend, anyway.) That sounds like that anti-Catholic stuff that Kennedy had to face when he ran for president, funded by the Holy See, etc? Listen to yourself.
BTW, how much volunteer work have you done for the homeless? Or the poor?
LOL. Im not christian, and find the attempts by Christians or other religious folks to indoctrinate me, and others to be offensive. Imagine that.
I currently am housing someone in one of my spare rooms who would otherwise be homeless due to her medical issues (neurological, possibly Lou Gehrigs- a horrible disease thats hard to diagnose). She may end up dying in that room. So I find that personal attack to be mildly humorous. Thats probably more then 99% of our country does. And I have done it for others in the past as well (who weren't sick or dying-just needed some help to get back on their feet).
The poor? Read what I post here. In addition I have donated to local food banks. Not tons I will admit, but 100 here, a 100 there. Probably average 200/year.
Sooo...I'm probably one of the worst targets for that sort of "what have you done!" comment.
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I don't think I've met one.
