Libertarians: why has there never been a libertarian-based nation? (racism, Brown, border)
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Exactly. Libertarians live in a naive fantasyland where just take away regulations and the best of humanity will fill the void. Of course Haiti is corrupt. What would stop it? Regulations? Can't have that.
The libertarian movement is undeniably influential, especially in the US, but also worldwide. Milton Friedman, who self-identified as libertarian, was perhaps the most influential economist of the 20th century. The libertarian Cato institute has been ranked as one of the top 10 most influential US think tanks.
Yet despite the popularity and influence, I think it's safe to say that not one of 196 nations in existence is remotely close to being libertarian. From what I've read, Hong Kong may have been closest until it was ceded back to Red China by the Brits. The US in the 19th century had a lot of libertarian aspects, albeit for white males only.
We've had nations governed by strange and radical ideologies from communism to fascism to Islamism, to "l'etat, c'est moi." Yet never so far in the history of the world has there been even one libertarian-based nation
One can imagine King George III chatting up his court in early 1776 about the inevitable permanence of the rule of the monarchy over his kingdom, and asking, rhetorically of course, "Why have there never been any constitutional republics?"
Just a thought ...
Anyway, our time will come. We have been close before, as an example in this country in the late 1700's and early 1800's (as you note). Unfortunately, Lincoln took us off course. I think the modern state is close to collapsing under it's own weight, and the innate desire of individuals to live in freedom will result in a return to our founding principles. At least, one can always hope ...
Exactly. Libertarians live in a naive fantasyland where just take away regulations and the best of humanity will fill the void. Of course Haiti is corrupt. What would stop it? Regulations? Can't have that.
Haiti is a libertarian's dream. Own it.
Haiti has always been a brutal police state. It has more in common with the radical left than wth libertarianism.
One can imagine King George III chatting up his court in early 1776 about the inevitable permanence of the rule of the monarchy over his kingdom, and asking, rhetorically of course, "Why have there never been any constitutional republics?"
Just a thought ...
Anyway, our time will come. We have been close before, as an example in this country in the late 1700's and early 1800's (as you note). Unfortunately, Lincoln took us off course. I think the modern state is close to collapsing under it's own weight, and the innate desire of individuals to live in freedom will result in a return to our founding principles. At least, one can always hope ...
It counts as 'close' when individual rights only applied to a small minority?
(Those being white male landowners)
And it's funny to me how so many Libertarians are also neoconfederates. I guess that's kinda consistent if you don't see black people as human.
Because libertarians are basically anti-government and tend not to want to be involved with it. So, the people that are involved in it tend to be pro-government, to at least some degree.
As a result, those pro-government folks who are actually in the government start implementing laws and policies that are not libertarian, as they fear the masses of the people; and because the libertarians all stay home, moaning and grumbling, but not doing much else as far as shaping our government goes.
a nation such as when the USA was formed is a classic republic or a classic democrat nation, but it is also a Libertarian nation. a nation where the government is involved in peoples lives very little and only provides for defense against force and fraud. which is what a nation is supposed to be doing.
all of these extras are just pure folly and should be stricken from the government.
I do not mind government at all, I just believe in limited government, not the monster that both the republican and democrat parties have created.
It's race-baiting to point out that LOTS of Libertarians side with a government that supported slavery? Do you claim that's not the case (I can provide examples if you like)? Or is the enslavement of humans not important since they don't look like you?
It's race-baiting to point out that LOTS of Libertarians side with a government that supported slavery? Do you claim that's not the case (I can provide examples if you like)? Or is the enslavement of humans not important since they don't look like you?
If you support someone having the right to burn the American flag does that mean you support burning the American flag?
Supporting the right of states to secede is not the same thing as supporting slavery. You should read the deceleration of independence when you have a chance.
Last edited by shooting4life; 03-17-2015 at 12:53 PM..
It's race-baiting to point out that LOTS of Libertarians side with a government that supported slavery? Do you claim that's not the case (I can provide examples if you like)? Or is the enslavement of humans not important since they don't look like you?
No one that has ever supported slavery could be considered a libertarian by any meaning of the word that I am aware of.
a nation such as when the USA was formed is a classic republic or a classic democrat nation, but it is also a Libertarian nation. a nation where the government is involved in peoples lives very little and only provides for defense against force and fraud. which is what a nation is supposed to be doing.
all of these extras are just pure folly and should be stricken from the government.
I do not mind government at all, I just believe in limited government, not the monster that both the republican and democrat parties have created.
The point of this thread is that precisely zero functional real-world examples of this imaginary government exist.
Whereas innumerable examples exist where people have been harmed and exploited in an environment without government regulation.
And ALL modern examples of 'limited government' are anarchistic hellholes where only the strong and wealthy have security and even basic necessities. It's a clear demonstration of why Libertarian ideology looks good on paper but does NOT work in the real world.
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