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Old 03-20-2015, 08:49 AM
 
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We also need state permission to marry, so according to your argument, gay marriage can be banned. We need state permission to vote, this means we can deny "blacks" the right to vote..

Of course both of these are nonsense. You get permission to do these things, (or will get permission soon as the Supreme Court rules it so), along with establishing corporations provided you havent given the government a reason to deny you one.

Nonsense, the minute you demand government legislate corporations, then they are entitled to their first amendment right to disagree with policies. To suggest they cant get involved is ridiculous.

As a liberal, if the government proposed to ban abortions, dont you think Planned Parenthood should be allowed to object?

And what purpose would this serve?
Can Corporations Lobby Government without doing it with Bribe Money?

No one is stopping their first amendment rights.
They can send a letter to their congressman or protest with a picket sign like everyone else.

What we have now is legalized bribery.


Then there is the Trans Pacific Partnership negotiated by the heads of Multinational Corporations of many countries and never even started with the political process in our government as it is supposed to when the interests of American Citizens is a stake.

The reason it was done in secret is because the corporations and banks have been running things all along and the puppet show in DC is of no use to them anymore nor do they care about the interests of the nation or its citizens.

They are Pro Globalists
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:00 AM
 
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Corporations have been solidifying their power over our government for decades and it seems unlikely that it will diminish, given that the voters keep electing their slaves. I would have hope if someone like Elizabeth Warren were elected to the presidency (and politicians like her), but that seems unlikely given the successful right-wing propaganda campaigns of the last 35 years and the resulting far-right stranglehold on the Congress.
In 1970, there were less than 200 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in DC.

In 2015, there are well over 2000 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in DC


And the problem continues to grow
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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ahhh

corporatism ..aka..fascism...aka liberalism

who pushes unions(corporations)....liberals
who pushes big government(ie the BIGGET corporation)....liberals
who pushes nationalizing companies...making a even bigger corporation....liberals
who has pushed the globalization agenda.....liberals
Who Pushed the Trans Pacific Partnership before it became a glimmer in politicians and citizens eyes?

It was a secret treaty launched by unelected corporate heads between nations

Nationless Multinational Corporations
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:08 AM
 
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Perhaps the question is, what would plausibly replace corporatism in the US? The entire national/multinational corporate model is probably rooted in something deeper than just policy choices. It certainly seems to have a lot of momentum, and has acquired more power throughout the postwar era. So we might ask what roles it displaced from earlier versions of American society.

In a non-corporatist environment, you'd probably need either a strong and unitary group capable of standing up for its group interests (like Amish communities, for example) with a shared culture and ethos, or you would need a rural/non-urbanized society that was not very centralized.

Because once we have urbanization and cultural de-centralization, people are more easily treated as individual economic "units." That model rewards and gives rise to corporatism because large corporations are able to set up comprehensive distribution networks, advertise more, capture more market share, and use their resources to shape the government in the manner most convenient to themselves.

Government itself also seems like a product of its environment rather than a policy "choice" - which is to say, in a complex urbanized society such as ours, there will probably always be a fairly big government. It's a function of the system.
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