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We also need state permission to marry, so according to your argument, gay marriage can be banned. We need state permission to vote, this means we can deny "blacks" the right to vote..
Of course both of these are nonsense. You get permission to do these things, (or will get permission soon as the Supreme Court rules it so), along with establishing corporations provided you havent given the government a reason to deny you one.
Nonsense, the minute you demand government legislate corporations, then they are entitled to their first amendment right to disagree with policies. To suggest they cant get involved is ridiculous.
As a liberal, if the government proposed to ban abortions, dont you think Planned Parenthood should be allowed to object?
And what purpose would this serve?
Voting is a right; the government is not allowed to take away rights according to the US constitution. Marriage, while not technically a right, could be considered one. Certainly if gay marriage were banned, the LGBT crowd would call that discrimination, which is illegal according to the 14th amendment.
Corporations are different. You don't have a right to be a corporation. It's a privilege. Back in the day, you applied to be a corporation and the government would grant that request for 30 years. Once that thirty years was up, they would have to reapply.
And of course a corporation can't agree. I'm saying that there can be only 2 regulations that corporations MUST follow: 1) honest and 2) no lobbying. Both are for the protection of the public. If they lie about what's in their food our how the conduct business, that can put people in harms way. Doing this should result in the corporation being shut down. And no lobbying is an easy one: we can't have massive money making machines be pulling strings in Washington. A free state cannot allow this. But everything else is free game! If they want to pay their workers a penny a day, let them. The workers have the right to unionize and demand more pay (unions also shouldn't have lobbying power). If they don't get it, they can quit. A corporation that does not have sufficient returns (and one without workers won't) will be shut down upon their sunset period, assuming they are not bankrupt before that time.
My system allows the free market to work as it was intended. If information is provided, people will act.
Now, they may voice political views. As you said, if abortion is banned, Planned Parenthood will want to voice their concern. And let them. What they cannot do is send money to candidates who support abortion, or give money to candidates if they agree to support abortion or if they agree to give such an industry subsidies. This type of involvement is not compatible with a free state. If PP wants to advocate for a given candidate, they may, but direct contact is meddling with elections and is a form of treason. I want my candidates to be people who are best fit for the job, not people who are decided by corporate powers.
A corporation is legally validated. This means it needs state approval to exist. This means it should be held to the same ethical standards as the government.
If ever an oxymoron has been posted at this site, this is it -- LOL!
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all politicians do it regardless of PARTY!
Who do you vote for then?
Libertarian candidates are legitimately better about that than D's and R's. If you don't think any outcome but a Republican or Democrat winning is possible... better embrace your new corporate overlords or find a way to fix it outside of voting.
What got us where we are now? Everybody voting Democrat and Republican.
You can have capitalism and a free market without overarching corporate control.
I would love to see that, but just how to achieve it is beyond my understanding. What I view as the biggest failing of our current society is that "Korporate" standards compel an individual employee to whimper "Yes, sir/ma'am" when anyone with an ounce of street-sense is thinking "Who needs you?" And that, in turn, comes from a market structure where most of the disposable dollars are spent by a kid, a geezer, a recipient of "transfer payments" or a "trailing spouse" whom Spousie didn't marry for his/her meatloaf. In other words, someone who usually has no concept of how we came by the benefits of life in the First World.
We are so afraid of "offending" a set of unrealistic foibles that gets bigger every day, that Madison Avenue has turned most of us into a nation of idiots.
Red Wing is a corporation. It owns brands that source from China.
Yes, they have other brands made in other countries to compete with the crowd. For example I have a pair of Red wing loggers that are about $320. An almost identical boot under their Worx brand made in China is about $125.
The Founding Fathers were very distrustful of corporations and their influence over the nation.
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." - Thomas Jefferson
“The power of all corporations ought to be limited, […] the growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.” - James Madison
However, as we have especially seen over the past four decades, federal and state governments have tried to embrace policies that heavily favor corporate influence. Treating corporations as people, allowing them to heavily influence elections, and allowing them to dictate economic policies that ultimately lead to further off-shoring and a declining middle class, seem to be concepts that are heavily ingrained in the American psyche at this point.
Do you think America at some point will turn away from corporatism, or is it here to stay permanently?
Corporations have been solidifying their power over our government for decades and it seems unlikely that it will diminish, given that the voters keep electing their slaves. I would have hope if someone like Elizabeth Warren were elected to the presidency (and politicians like her), but that seems unlikely given the successful right-wing propaganda campaigns of the last 35 years and the resulting far-right stranglehold on the Congress.
Voting is a right; the government is not allowed to take away rights according to the US constitution. Marriage, while not technically a right, could be considered one. Certainly if gay marriage were banned, the LGBT crowd would call that discrimination, which is illegal according to the 14th amendment.
Corporations are different. You don't have a right to be a corporation. It's a privilege. Back in the day, you applied to be a corporation and the government would grant that request for 30 years. Once that thirty years was up, they would have to reapply.
And of course a corporation can't agree. I'm saying that there can be only 2 regulations that corporations MUST follow: 1) honest and 2) no lobbying. Both are for the protection of the public. If they lie about what's in their food our how the conduct business, that can put people in harms way. Doing this should result in the corporation being shut down. And no lobbying is an easy one: we can't have massive money making machines be pulling strings in Washington. A free state cannot allow this. But everything else is free game! If they want to pay their workers a penny a day, let them. The workers have the right to unionize and demand more pay (unions also shouldn't have lobbying power). If they don't get it, they can quit. A corporation that does not have sufficient returns (and one without workers won't) will be shut down upon their sunset period, assuming they are not bankrupt before that time.
My system allows the free market to work as it was intended. If information is provided, people will act.
Now, they may voice political views. As you said, if abortion is banned, Planned Parenthood will want to voice their concern. And let them. What they cannot do is send money to candidates who support abortion, or give money to candidates if they agree to support abortion or if they agree to give such an industry subsidies. This type of involvement is not compatible with a free state. If PP wants to advocate for a given candidate, they may, but direct contact is meddling with elections and is a form of treason. I want my candidates to be people who are best fit for the job, not people who are decided by corporate powers.
Wrong, voting is a privilege, they take away this privilege all the time.
Felons for example, cant vote.
The supreme court has voted as such multiple times.
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