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Old 03-25-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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Do you think the anarchy in Iraq that led to ISIS would have happened with Saddam in power?
Can't really be sure, but I do know it hadn't happened yet while Saddam was in power and also hadn't happened while Mr. Bush was in power.
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Old 03-25-2015, 03:03 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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This is quite false. The largest muslim country in the world is Indonesia. They have a thriving economy and are far from the stone age.
Well that's not true.
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Old 03-25-2015, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Laurentia
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Well that's not true.
Well, Indonesia is listed as a Tiger Cub economy. Malaysia is a better example: it's a Muslim-majority country, is not a petroleum state, and their economy has been doing very well in recent years; according to the IMF their GDP (PPP) per capita is $23000, comparable to Latvia, Hungary, and Chile, so Malaysia could be considered a developed country in the near future.

I don't think that has anything to do with religion; plenty of Christian countries have lower GDPs than Malaysia or even Indonesia, and what religion a country adheres to is not in and of itself strongly linked to economic performance anyway. In fact, considering the very low per capita GDPs of the overwhelmingly-Christian southern half of Africa, the average per capita GDP of Muslim countries is likely closer to Christian countries' than one would think.

In any case, this (from Jakarta) isn't exactly what I'd call a stone age scene.
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Old 03-25-2015, 05:54 PM
 
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Obama blamed Bush for ISIS a just couple of days ago.

Hasn't he been in Office for 7 years now?
Bush started the Iraq War. The war destabilized the whole region. The group Isis evolved from was created and bloomed while Bush was president. Bush is a big reason why Isis exists today.
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Old 03-25-2015, 07:38 PM
 
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And there's no reason to believe can change that or should attempt doing so.
President Obama thinks Iran will come around to being reasonable.....what are the chances of a country of crazy people with nukes that hate the world coming around to being nice.
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Old 03-25-2015, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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who would you rather see in charge? Dictators such as Khaddafi, Mubarak, al-Sissi, Assad?............or ISIS?

This appears to be the choice nowadays. I choose the former!
The United States of America. Few countries in the world are capable of playing this game of chess as well as we are.

[who cares about a couple of bloody pawns here and there?]
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:13 PM
 
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Israel is a democracy and in the middle east.
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Old 03-26-2015, 04:22 AM
 
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Well, Indonesia is listed as a Tiger Cub economy. Malaysia is a better example: it's a Muslim-majority country, is not a petroleum state, and their economy has been doing very well in recent years; according to the IMF their GDP (PPP) per capita is $23000, comparable to Latvia, Hungary, and Chile, so Malaysia could be considered a developed country in the near future.

I don't think that has anything to do with religion; plenty of Christian countries have lower GDPs than Malaysia or even Indonesia, and what religion a country adheres to is not in and of itself strongly linked to economic performance anyway. In fact, considering the very low per capita GDPs of the overwhelmingly-Christian southern half of Africa, the average per capita GDP of Muslim countries is likely closer to Christian countries' than one would think.

In any case, this (from Jakarta) isn't exactly what I'd call a stone age scene.
Stone age is referring to a backwards mentality, but you knew that.

Showing buildings and modern ammenities is a rather poor deflection/ excuse for islamic barbarism, gay hatred and intolerance of Hindus, Christians,Buddhists, Jews, women and not to mention free speech.
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Old 03-26-2015, 04:58 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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President Obama thinks Iran will come around to being reasonable.....what are the chances of a country of crazy people with nukes that hate the world coming around to being nice.
What are the chances of any two-bit leader with nukes putting their own ass on the line knowing they'll be vaporized if they get frisky? They can talk all the trash they like, they're chicken-s**ts when their own butts are at stake, when's the last time we saw the Ayatollahs putting themselves in harm's way? And it doesn't matter if they're 'nice' or not.
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Old 03-26-2015, 05:08 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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when we leave islamics alone they become radicals and form terrorist groups and invade peaceful nations
Thank goodness randomly bombing the crap out of them solves all that, eh?
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