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Old 03-20-2015, 09:01 AM
 
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Absolutely people are deceptive and yes, there are racists. However, you are assigning that to a political party of millions with no evidence, just assumptions that people are deceptive so they must be racists. How do you know it's not the left that racists if everyone is being deceptive - I mean, of course they aren't saying, we have to get more N'ggrs to vote for us, but based on your logic, there is no reason to believe that's not what they think, therefore it must be.
Because democrats support many of the policies that black people support. It was not democrats who were fighting against Affirmative action at universities. Ask yourself....what policies and programs do the masses of blacks support that are supported by the Republican party? If a person was anti-black.....why would they support black policy aspirations? There are racist in the democratic party....but many of them hold their noses because they may need to join with blacks to get their labor union interest, or abortion interest to pass. Those who are not willing to hold their noses vote Republican.
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:07 AM
 
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Asking for evidence or "support" for the existence of the southern strategy is like asking for supporting evidence that a man named Lincoln was once president of the United States.

Here's an article on the development of the sotuhern strategy:

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...s-southern.pdf

This is why the GOP is primarily white. This debate is so tired. It always invovles Republcians crying, but Democrats, democrats, democrats.... YEP ... before LBJ made a final break with the racists (who the Republicans gladly scooped up) the Democrats were the party with a racist bloc. Now it's the GOP.
This ^^^^^^
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:15 AM
 
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Asking for evidence or "support" for the existence of the southern strategy is like asking for supporting evidence that a man named Lincoln was once president of the United States.

Here's an article on the development of the sotuhern strategy:

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html...s-southern.pdf

This is why the GOP is primarily white. This debate is so tired. It always invovles Republcians crying, but Democrats, democrats, democrats.... YEP ... before LBJ made a final break with the racists (who the Republicans gladly scooped up) the Democrats were the party with a racist bloc. Now it's the GOP.
No, it existed. I'm talking about in the years you mentioned.
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:21 AM
 
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If nothing is or was a racial issue....did how and why did the races become so socioeconomically unequal?

If issues are purely economic then they would weigh equally on every racial group and assuming that every racial group is inherently equal in innate abilities and capacities, there would be no socioeconomic inequality between racial groups. Yet.....egregious socioeconomic racial inequality HAS EXISTED for the last 300 years.
I never stated nothing was a racial issue, i said the things you are pointing out arent..

Schools for example in poverty stricken areas arent = obviously.

Schools however, are indeed economic, it takes money to fund them..
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:23 AM
 
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That was the conclusion of the study!!!!!!! It said that Americans did not like to redistribute because minorities were seen as the disproportionate beneficiaries. Obviously, at least to me, minorities are not the ones not supporting it because they are the disproportionate beneficiaries.....so it must be the non minority population that is against minorities disproportionately getting it.
no, the conclusion was about POVERTY and WELFARE, and the view that it attributes to people being lazy, which also included whites.

If it concluded things about blacks, you didnt bother to quote them, you quoted sections which was attributed to POVERTY, and then claimed that this only meant blacks, which is ridiculous.

Can you list ONE town which has grown economically due to welfare stimulation?
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:27 AM
 
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Because democrats support many of the policies that black people support. It was not democrats who were fighting against Affirmative action at universities. Ask yourself....what policies and programs do the masses of blacks support that are supported by the Republican party? If a person was anti-black.....why would they support black policy aspirations? There are racist in the democratic party....but many of them hold their noses because they may need to join with blacks to get their labor union interest, or abortion interest to pass. Those who are not willing to hold their noses vote Republican.
You mean democrats support policies which keep blacks slavery to the government, and blacks have no problem with it?

This sounds very similar to the argument I've heard in the past which is blacks didnt mind being slaves, which was proven by many citing that some of them, continued to work on farms, even after they became free men.
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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I am not going to let you twist this debate into a debate centered on YOU and I. Whether or not I am racist or whether you are free of racism does nothing to prove or disprove the larger argument and claim about the relationship between the republican party and racism.
Utterly ridiculous claim. Republican presidents appointed the first Black male and first Black female Secretaries of State.
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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Because democrats support many of the policies that black people support. It was not democrats who were fighting against Affirmative action at universities. Ask yourself....what policies and programs do the masses of blacks support that are supported by the Republican party? If a person was anti-black.....why would they support black policy aspirations? There are racist in the democratic party....but many of them hold their noses because they may need to join with blacks to get their labor union interest, or abortion interest to pass. Those who are not willing to hold their noses vote Republican.
Those are policy differences about whether there should be preferential treatment or not. Of course people are going to support a party that says we'll give you preferential treatment. That doesn't mean the other side that's calling for the same treatment dislikes people of a race.
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:30 AM
 
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Utterly ridiculous claim. Republican presidents appointed the first Black male and first Black female Secretaries of State.
All black republicans.

shhh, dont tell the OP
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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Can you list ONE town which has grown economically due to welfare stimulation?
Detroit.
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