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Old 03-20-2015, 10:27 PM
 
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Americans as well as Business have opted for the best bang for the buck. That has never changed. What has changed is Foreign Economic Policies brought to us by Corporate and Banking Lobbyists

In 1965, you could walk down to the specialty side of town and find all that China has to offer in a store the size of a Gas Station. Not so today though.

In 1970, 200 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices existed in DC
In 2015, there are way over 2000 Corporate and Banking Lobby Offices in DC


If a couple hundred Americans put a stop to all Trade Agreements, you would be outraged because a few hundred could dictate foreign economic policy over everyone in this country but why do I not see no outrage when a few corporate heads instituted and wrote it.



What changed is our Foreign Economic Policy drafted by Multinational Corporations and Central Banking Lobbyists that wrote the dam policies
Can you provide some links to which lobbyists specifically drafted which policies and which politicians introduced those policies? With all the numbers and dates there in your post, you must have the specifics backing up which polices were actually written by which corporations, right?
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Old 03-21-2015, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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What an elitist thing to say,"i wouldnt take a job for crap wages".

Well, most of us have at one point in our lives because we have somebody to support, or want to help out, (it doesnt have to be kids, either)----- and every job is a learning experience and gives you a skill set as you work your way up the ladder.

The one part i will agree with is that this importation of more workers to try to destroy our system and our economy is totally wrong and disgusting. Sadly, i don't see that many young people standing up against it, and it would certainly be helpful if they did.

Obviously, americans already do work as cheaply as foreigners because obama took away health care with obamacare and now reduced job hours, and there still is a basic minimum wage. Americans are faced with a bleaker future going forward.


And yet the democrats want to bring in MORE illegal immigrants.

The republicans never stop the democrats.. they just say they want too.. there's a big difference. Democrats are not the ones to blame entirely for the immigration. Democrats, a lot of them just support the immigration because the republicans claim not too... two party sheep are two party sheep.. they'll support the opposite of what the other party supports just because they can't think for themselves.

As for obamacare, well it's actually pretty cheap insurance for someone who doesn't make a lot of money .. use the subsidy and you only pay $50 per month in many cases. The downside is the deductibles are pretty high. Personally I'd support universal health care over the for profit nonsense we have now. Guess that makes me a socialist.

Problem is our large welfare/parasite class makes socialized medicine pretty unaffordable compared to countries that are able to resist the elite's race mixing agenda and keep their borders relatively secure. Plus, it's already hard enough to get an appointment with a specialist in a timely manner as it is.. with socialized medicine it would probably be a 3 month wait to see a gastroenterologist or whatever... unless hospitals/doctors adapt to the demand by actually having a greater than 9 to 5, 5 days a week schedule (with a month of vacation and 20 holidays) as they do now. These places need to start operating 4 shift rotation and taking appointments 7 days a week.
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Old 03-21-2015, 06:01 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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This is hilarious. . . one I think your scarecrow of the republican party. I've seen a lot of Republicans wanting protectionist trade and immigration policies too. . .think the upset over Obama's policies?! So I don't see republicans as "hands off" as you paint them.


Though I disagree with them, because I do think they should be hands off. Treason of companies? You know what you want? you want to build a little wall and cocon yourself in. No outsourcing, no global companies. Lets buy american, keep american, self sufficent. . .

Yeah you ignore the fact that ANY country that has tried that has caved, collapsed, and open the gates.

You ignore the fact that the last 20 years has bought more people out of poverty than anytime in Human history


No - your just plain selfish. You think that because you were born at the right latitude and longitude you should be able to learn less, have less skills (or same) and get paid more.

Well . . i guess you swayed me, that is the definition of lazy.


Jobs like "factory" jobs won't exist in the US. Those old school jobs from post WW2 america are either 1) replaced by robots and engineers with college degrees 2) moved to a country with cheaper labor


MOVE ON AND ADAPT (or take less pay, and less and less)- you can ***** all you want about the tractor MR Shovelman, but the tractor is here to stay.
Every post here serves a purpose. If anyone had remaining questions about why America is in decline today, economically and culturally, this post goes a long way toward clearing them up.

Good grief....
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Old 03-21-2015, 06:11 AM
 
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Lefties need to make up their minds.....is the economy under the current resident at 1600 improving greatly as you sometimes say, or does the job market still suck?
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Old 03-21-2015, 07:33 AM
 
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I was watching Fox News last night and they had a panel that was going on a rant about how Americans are too lazy to acquire the skills to fill the enoooooourmous number of high-paying job openings in the United States, for which companies have to fill with H1B Visa workers because they "can't find any qualified Americans."

Now, let me explain something to those of you who grew up in previous generations and don't understand what the job market is like for young adults nowadays. It's hyper-competitve as there are so many Americans going to college, so many immigrants coming here to college (my college was about 40% Asians on student visas trying to get into the good programs and obtain work visas here), and, quite frankly, automation is making jobs irrelevant by the boatload.

I did everything that society told me to -- got a STEM degree from a good school, acquired relevant skills, got an entry-level job in the tech sector -- and I can attest that it is still super-competitive to stay relevant in today's job market. Getting an entry-level job in the first place required me to fill out hundreds of applications and get lucky, since "entry-level" means having 5+ years of professional experience. I have to put in a lot of time outside of work to bolster my skills enough to stay relevant. If I even tried to travel the world for a month, I would probably fall through the cracks in society, be considered irrelevant for employment since I would have a "gap" on my resume (OMG! HE DIDN'T WORK FOR 1 MONTH! HE'S LAZY AND PROBABLY LOST ALL HIS SKILLS!!!! ).

I don't mean to focus on the tech sector exclusively. From what I understand, every single sector is over-saturated with job seekers and is raising experience requirements faster than people can possibly acquire the skills.

Of the tens of millions of unemployed and severely underemployed Americans, I guarantee that a lot of them would love to fill the roles that employers are supposedly so desperate to fill, and would be willing to do what it takes to learn the skills necessarily, but the opportunity just isn't there!
"I would probably fall through the cracks in society, be considered irrelevant for employment since I would have a "gap" on my resume (OMG! HE DIDN'T WORK FOR 1 MONTH! HE'S LAZY AND PROBABLY LOST ALL HIS SKILLS!!!

"I would probably" means you DON'T know and are only guessing.

Why don't you ASK your boss.

Yes jobs are becoming MORE competitive. A boss wants the BEST.

Look at how many college grad football players there are EVERY year that NEVER make it into the NFL.

Basketball is the same.

When there a finite number of jobs available, it stands to reason the BEST are the one who are going to get the jobs and KEEP the jobs.

Either keep your skills up or find another field. That's life.

I know of kids who graduate from high school with top honors and CAN'T get int the college they want because even though they are in the top 5%, the colleges want the top 1 %.
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Old 03-21-2015, 08:01 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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"I would probably fall through the cracks in society, be considered irrelevant for employment since I would have a "gap" on my resume (OMG! HE DIDN'T WORK FOR 1 MONTH! HE'S LAZY AND PROBABLY LOST ALL HIS SKILLS!!!

"I would probably" means you DON'T know and are only guessing.

Why don't you ASK your boss.

Yes jobs are becoming MORE competitive. A boss wants the BEST.

Look at how many college grad football players there are EVERY year that NEVER make it into the NFL.

Basketball is the same.

When there a finite number of jobs available, it stands to reason the BEST are the one who are going to get the jobs and KEEP the jobs.

Either keep your skills up or find another field. That's life.

I know of kids who graduate from high school with top honors and CAN'T get int the college they want because even though they are in the top 5%, the colleges want the top 1 %.


Or one could join a union, where the cream of the crop, is put down by those that fear them.
No room for advancement, in a Union job.
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Old 03-21-2015, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I could teach everyone a skill in the trades that at one time paid $120,000 a year net.
With the illegal labor lowering bar and turning good skilled jobs into a commodity today, that same skill may bring in $40,000 a year net.
^^^ this
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Old 03-21-2015, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I've heard countless boomers say that while there were employment shocks in the 70s and 80s, it was much easier to land a job in that environment than now.
I was one of them.

That was before technology eliminated tens of millions of middle class jobs.

For example, back then, banking was a labor and time consuming process. Direct deposit, electronic check clearing, ATMs and electronic banking substantially increased productivity and eliminated millions of jobs. Why pay a teller a middle class wage, payroll taxes, plus benefits when tech can replace those functions at a fraction of the cost?

Walmart , then McDonalds , replaced IBM as the country's largest employer in the 80's.

The Most Favored Nation Status was restored to China in 1980 and renewed annually thereafter until it became permanent. ( there are almost 200 countries with this status)
This increased outsourcing while at the same time enabled China to advance their own economy and created an inroad for US businesses to enter the China market.

Seems to me so many here believe that this evolution is somehow unique to the U.S.

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Old 03-21-2015, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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OP we need to STOP sending American jobs overseas, via American companies relocating to countries where it is obviously cheaper to pay workers, don't have to provide benefits and don't have to worry about things like OSHA and the EPA. And we need to stop bringing overseas workers here to compete with Americans for jobs. A worldwide "levelling the playing field" is going on. This is what "Globalism" is all about to multi-national corporations. Build it where you can do it at the absolute cheapest and then ship it free of tariff to the place where you can get the absolute top dollar for it. Raise up the third world countries and lower America, all at the expense of the American middle-class laborer, which should be put on the endangered species list along with the spotted owl. Mega-profits and screw the American and western workers if they don't want to work for third world country wages. Perhaps we should bring back major tariff's on things manufactured or assembled partially or wholly outside of the United States, whilst at the same time offering special loans and incentives to businesses inside America that want to produce things, hire (legal) American workers and pay them a living wage if they promise to stay in the country.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^is an excellent post DauntlessDan
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Old 03-21-2015, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Well - personally I don't care if your lazy or not. I don't think the government should be involved in deciding who an employer should hire. . .

These programs, like H1 VISA, are just protectionist drivel. If you can get here from India and can fill a job. . .and a employer agrees to hire you over an born america. . all the better. A company maximized the workforce/quality and best price.

That is what we want. . .


all you need to do is have the skills to compete

what latitude and longitude you were born at should entitle you TO NOTHING

its what you do with your life that will make you competitive



I wouldn't say lazy.. . that isn't the issue. Its having the right skills/better skills for the job you want than anyone else.




a blind squirrel can find an acorn sometimes. . . but it seems to me that Republicans are just as conservative on immigration policies as Democrats.. .unless the people immigrating aren't going to vote republican.
So are you ok with wiping out the middle class? That's what I'm getting from it. We need good paying hands-on jobs, not everyone can go to college or is "book smart" to do well in college. What are those people like me that are hands-on learners supposed to do?

I suppose we could change the education system and get rid of standardized testing and teaching procedures and teach to everyone's individual specific learning ability like other nations have done, but that would make too much sense
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