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Old 03-20-2015, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I understand it and I read it. You and a couple of others decided to assign me to a political party (I despise Dem and Rep, I am neither.). I don't just blame Bush. But Bush was the leader, therefore he deserves the blunt of the blame.





Completely agree.
If I understand you correctly you think that the president can unilaterally declare war without consent of Congress. You think that the president is to blame despite the fact that Congress had access to that report long before the public and had to vote based on the information presented by the intelligence agencies.
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Old 03-20-2015, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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If I understand you correctly you think that the president can unilaterally declare war without consent of Congress. You think that the president is to blame despite the fact that Congress had access to that report long before the public.
Sure he can as long as he sends a memo to Congress like Obama did when he invaded Libya.
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Old 03-20-2015, 04:00 PM
 
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yes the senate leadership form both parties where given same briefing as president. Its why many predicted we would lose over 20K. Everyone including the UN thought there were still more. Saddam later said he purposely lead the belief because fear Iran would invade or restart the previous war. The anti used the likelyhood of high casualties as reason not to go to invade.
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Old 03-20-2015, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Sure he can as long as he sends a memo to Congress like Obama did when he invaded Libya.

Via email on a server in the basement which was accidentally deleted?
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Old 03-20-2015, 04:30 PM
 
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Most of the world already knew that Bush's oil war was not justified, but good to see this out anyway. No one can defend that clown for his actions anymore.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-ci...-iraq-invasion



'The fact that the NIE concluded that there was no operational tie between Saddam and al Qaeda did not offset this alarming assessment.'
Uh, the article basically exonerates Bush. Where in the world do you get that it's some smoking gun proving that the war wasn't justified and that Bush's actions were indefensible? Are you just an unethical leftist partisan hack or something? Or did you just assume the article would indict Bush? While the article does rebuke Bush, the rebuke is extremely mild and does not accuse the administration of any misrepresentation or dishonesty. It merely accuses the government of treating possibilities as probabilities. That's hardly a smoking gun. And the fact that the article mentions possibilities exonerates Bush from the left's claims that he lied. So on balance, the article supports Bush but you're using it to say he's an indefensible clown. So apparently either you don't care about truth or don't bother to actually read your sources.
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Old 03-20-2015, 04:50 PM
 
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Oil War?
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Old 03-20-2015, 04:56 PM
 
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The war was a moronic waste, but it's remarkable how little it seems to have taught the country's political leadership. There are still significant numbers of elected politicians clamoring for more wars in the Mideast. As though we even have the budget for that anymore.
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Old 03-20-2015, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Verbal statements directly went against what was written in the report.
Yet Congress was given the report.

How can they say they were lied to if they had the report ?

Why didn't any member of Congress speak out and call the administration liars ?

No, Congress was NOT lied to. Congress voted FOR the war.


Sorry to burst your bubble but they all COLLUDED to the propaganda presented to the American people to justify an invasion of Iraq to get them back on the petro dollar for trading oil.
Bush lied to them. They relied on the administration to provide intel from the CIA and other sources. Yes, they failed to read the report assuming they would have actually understood it. But, the bottom line is that Bush and his administration deliberately lied to Congress, to the UN, and to the American people. Congress took his word, and did not do enough checking of the facts, but that does not excuse Bush in the least from his criminal behavior.
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Old 03-20-2015, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Bush lied to them. They relied on the administration to provide intel from the CIA and other sources. Yes, they failed to read the report assuming they would have actually understood it. But, the bottom line is that Bush and his administration deliberately lied to Congress, to the UN, and to the American people. Congress took his word, and did not do enough checking of the facts, but that does not excuse Bush in the least from his criminal behavior.

What? That's exactly their job. Our system is designed so there are checks and balances.
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Old 03-20-2015, 09:55 PM
 
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Apprently the guy made a FOIA request years ago and they released a heavily redacted version. He made a another request recently for review and they produced a less redacted version.
My dad was CIA and we made a similar request. But apparently, this wasn't in the realm of the FOIA. They refused to release any info about him.
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