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Old 03-29-2015, 03:45 PM
 
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There's been an enormous proliferation of laws created criminalizing things no one 50 years ago would have considered criminal. The term felony used to refer to serious, violent crimes. Now a felony could be as minor as having an empty shell casing in some states without a license (i.e., MA). Pass so many laws everyone becomes a criminal.
Soon, there'll be no one left to vote.
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Old 03-29-2015, 05:07 PM
 
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There's been an enormous proliferation of laws created criminalizing things no one 50 years ago would have considered criminal. The term felony used to refer to serious, violent crimes. Now a felony could be as minor as having an empty shell casing in some states without a license (i.e., MA). Pass so many laws everyone becomes a criminal.
The problem is fascism in this country.

The gates have been opened and many restraints have been removed for Nation-less Corporations to have free rein in the world with the tax payers footing the bill to protect their global interests while on the flip side more restrains and regulations are being imposed on the citizens to keep them in check.

When you criminalize Freedom this is what you get. 50% of the people behind bars are there for smoking a plant.

Jeopardize the entire nation with financial schemes and you get a bonus.
Smoke a plant and harm no one and get a thrown behind bars.

Just How Much The War On Drugs Impacts Our Overcrowded Prisons, In One Chart

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4914884.html






http://thewarmongerreport.blogspot.c...s-perfect.html

14 Points of fascism: The warning signs

1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4.) Supremacy of the Military
5.) Rampant Sexism
6.) Corporate Controlled Mass Media
7.) Obsession with National Security
8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined
9.) Corporate Power is Protected
10.) Labor Power is Suppressed:
11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

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Old 03-29-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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More education = less crime.
I seriously doubt this is true. I would recon its more like more jobs and opportunities you get less crime.

Inner cities have the same educational opportunities as suburbs, they have the same community colleges and even better grants available to them.
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Old 03-29-2015, 06:21 PM
 
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When you criminalize Freedom this is what you get. 50% of the people behind bars are there for smoking a plant.
Thats not really what it says.. It says 50% of them are there for drugs.. This includes all drugs, prescription and non prescription.
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Old 03-29-2015, 06:30 PM
 
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Thats not really what it says.. It says 50% of them are there for drugs.. This includes all drugs, prescription and non prescription.
I won't quibble with your point but lets go with it.

You have buyers and sellers with drugs engaging in Free Enterprise albeit harmful only to each other.
Both the buyers and sellers go directly to Jail.

You have buyers and sellers engaging in Free Enterprise with the Big Banks via fraudulent loans and it is harmful to themselves and the nation as well.
The Bankers get rewarded with Bailouts and Bonuses while many of the homeowners were booted out of their homes and money was stolen from the tax payers.


You were saying?
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Old 03-29-2015, 06:49 PM
 
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I won't quibble with your point but lets go with it.

You have buyers and sellers with drugs engaging in Free Enterprise albeit harmful only to each other.
Both the buyers and sellers go directly to Jail.

You have buyers and sellers engaging in Free Enterprise with the Big Banks via fraudulent loans and it is harmful to themselves and the nation as well.
The Bankers get rewarded with Bailouts and Bonuses while many of the homeowners were booted out of their homes and money was stolen from the tax payers.

You were saying?
As someone who believes almost all drugs should be legal, simply because I believe we have a right to destroy our own bodies if we wish, (note for the record, I've never drank, smoked a cigarette, or even marijuana, I rarely even take an aspirin, so my opinion isnt because I want to do drugs)..

but, to conclude its only harmful to each other is ridiculous. Whole neighborhoods are riddled with crime over drugs, projects have people getting killed daily, often innocent by standards, you get pipes broken out of vacant homes, destruction of neighborhoods torn to bits over drugs...

Its bad, and I think we as a nation need to tax it, and then spend the money on things like rehabilitation, similar to how we do with gambling addicts
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Old 03-29-2015, 07:44 PM
 
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I won't quibble with your point but lets go with it.

You have buyers and sellers with drugs engaging in Free Enterprise albeit harmful only to each other.
Both the buyers and sellers go directly to Jail.

You have buyers and sellers engaging in Free Enterprise with the Big Banks via fraudulent loans and it is harmful to themselves and the nation as well.
The Bankers get rewarded with Bailouts and Bonuses while many of the homeowners were booted out of their homes and money was stolen from the tax payers.


You were saying?
If we ban all drugs, we'd have to ban money, too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHCVyllnck
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Old 03-29-2015, 07:54 PM
 
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Thats not really what it says.. It says 50% of them are there for drugs.. This includes all drugs, prescription and non prescription.
And the chart is federal prison inmates, just a fraction of all those "behind bars."
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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With all due respect to the OP-bullchit. We are far too lenient with criminals. The vast majority of crimes committed are by repeat offenders, those that have been caught, convicted and then turned lose to prey again on innocent victims. We barely punish anyone for property crimes, even violent, vicious attacks on people get a minimal sentence, or all too often are plea-bargained down to parole. We have a catch and release system for criminals-the fundamental cause cause of our crime problems.

The real issue is the misuse of police and "criminal justice" resources. We put far more emphasis on revenue generation than catching real criminals and keeping them away from society. If we put emphasis on catching and locking up burglars, car thieves and robbers, instead of focusing on speeding, weed use and drinking we would be far better off. Non-violent crimes generate revenue, first through fines, then through free labor through community service acts. While actually locking up criminals and doing things that keep society safer actually cost money.

If we locked up anyone that stole a car or broke into someone's home for a minimum of 5 years, no possibility of parole, we would slash our crime problem. Instead, we turn them free with barely a slap on the wrist. If we actually put criminals away, the long term savings, both from the crimes themselves, as well as from the reduced need for police to "protect society" from the 1% or so of society that are repeat criminals, would far more than pay for prison space.

Our priorities are backwards.
great post,
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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America's prison state is a disaster. One percent of the adult population is behind bars, and corrections is squeezing higher education out of state budgets. We have five times as many people in prison as we ever had before 1980, and five times as many (per capita) as any other advanced democracy.

We don?t need to keep criminals in prison to punish them - Vox
The United States has the most prisoners of any developed country in the world.

United States incarceration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How has that "zero drug tolerance" stance turned out?
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