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Old 03-25-2015, 10:50 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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A majority of Boston residents believe Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should not receive the death penalty for his admitted role in the deadly 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, according to a new poll released Monday.

Most Boston residents oppose death penalty for Marathon bomber Tsarnaev: poll

There are many reasons the death penalty should be abolished. It is a complex issue and it is difficult to point to any single fact or argument as the most important.

Question 1: In this PARTICULAR case, do you believe he deserves death penalty?

Question 2: According to The American Civil Liberties Union believes the death penalty inherently violates the constitutional ban against cruel and unusual punishment and the guarantees of due process of law and of equal protection under the law. Furthermore, we believe that the state should not give itself the right to kill human beings – especially when it kills with premeditation and ceremony, in the name of the law or in the name of its people, and when it does so in an arbitrary and discriminatory fashion.

https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishm...-death-penalty

Then how do you explain The Nuremberg Trials conclusion?

Frank, Hans - Hanged in Nuremberg on Oct. 16, 1946

Jodl, Alfred - hanged in Nuremberg on Oct. 16, 1946

Kaltenbrunner, Ernst - hanged on Oct. 16, 1946 in Nuremberg.

etc.

If killing is wrong period (according to some people, not according to me), then is Capital Punishment ever Morally Justified?

I'd say both morally and Constitutionally.

Why should putting a murderer down be considered either unusual or cruel?
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:53 AM
 
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I'd say both morally and Constitutionally.

Why should putting a murderer down be considered either unusual or cruel?
These days it's used as a silencing mechanism.
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:54 AM
 
Location: georgia
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The Death Penalty issue should be a non-issue as it currently works (really doesn't work). The cost of all the appeals, and most people dying from old age while waiting on these endless appeals makes a mockery out of it. Many eventually have their sentences comuted to life anyway. Just sentence them to life w/o parole and save the taxpayers millions. Also, have DNA tested for any cases that are applicable.
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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These days it's used as a silencing mechanism.
Example(s)?
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Old 03-25-2015, 11:02 AM
 
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Not only death, but also a completely non-Muslim treatment of his body after death. Since some muslims claim terrorist acts are not Islam then don't give him a Muslim funeral.
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Old 03-25-2015, 11:04 AM
 
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The Death Penalty issue should be a non-issue as it currently works (really doesn't work). The cost of all the appeals, and most people dying from old age while waiting on these endless appeals makes a mockery out of it. Many eventually have their sentences comuted to life anyway. Just sentence them to life w/o parole and save the taxpayers millions. Also, have DNA tested for any cases that are applicable.
Costs lots to sentence them to life and then have all the appeals.

I support the DP if it's mandatory to allow the person charged to plea bargain to life no-parole and come clean on their crimes.

Also, a instead of reasonable doubt it would need to be certainty like in the case of Tsarnev and guys like Dahmer, Gacy etc.

This is the deal they gave the Green River Serial killer.

Any reference to costs is incomplete if you don't net the savings of people pleading guilty to avoid the DP.
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Old 03-25-2015, 11:31 AM
 
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Why is it that we give animals the death penalty for protecting themselves but not human when they are mad killers?
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Old 03-25-2015, 11:56 AM
 
Location: georgia
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Costs lots to sentence them to life and then have all the appeals.

I support the DP if it's mandatory to allow the person charged to plea bargain to life no-parole and come clean on their crimes.

Also, a instead of reasonable doubt it would need to be certainty like in the case of Tsarnev and guys like Dahmer, Gacy etc.

This is the deal they gave the Green River Serial killer.

Any reference to costs is incomplete if you don't net the savings of people pleading guilty to avoid the DP.
I'm for the death penalty IF it's enforced without endless delays. As it currently stands, it's ridiculous.
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Old 03-25-2015, 12:06 PM
 
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I'm for the death penalty IF it's enforced without endless delays. As it currently stands, it's ridiculous.
Kinda makes the McVeigh case look like an anomaly, doesn't it?
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Old 03-25-2015, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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A majority of Boston residents believe Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should not receive the death penalty for his admitted role in the deadly 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, according to a new poll released Monday.

Most Boston residents oppose death penalty for Marathon bomber Tsarnaev: poll

There are many reasons the death penalty should be abolished. It is a complex issue and it is difficult to point to any single fact or argument as the most important.

Question 1: In this PARTICULAR case, do you believe he deserves death penalty?

Question 2: According to The American Civil Liberties Union believes the death penalty inherently violates the constitutional ban against cruel and unusual punishment and the guarantees of due process of law and of equal protection under the law. Furthermore, we believe that the state should not give itself the right to kill human beings – especially when it kills with premeditation and ceremony, in the name of the law or in the name of its people, and when it does so in an arbitrary and discriminatory fashion.

https://www.aclu.org/capital-punishm...-death-penalty

Then how do you explain The Nuremberg Trials conclusion?

Frank, Hans - Hanged in Nuremberg on Oct. 16, 1946

Jodl, Alfred - hanged in Nuremberg on Oct. 16, 1946

Kaltenbrunner, Ernst - hanged on Oct. 16, 1946 in Nuremberg.

etc.

If killing is wrong period (according to some people, not according to me), then is Capital Punishment ever Morally Justified?
Obvious conclusion....most Boston residents aren't very bright.
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