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If Sen. Cruz wants coverage now that he is no longer covered by his wife's policy, he MUST buy it from an exchange.
"Iowa U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley pushed through an amendment on the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, that requires members of Congress to obtain their coverage via health insurance exchanges.
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Cruz, as a member of Congress, would use the exchange to choose his employer-provided insurance."
Good point. However, I think Cruz and the other Republican candidates who are members of Congress also appreciate the political opportunities that having Obamacare will create for them on the campaign trail and during the debates. These guys are resourceful and clever like that.
Since when is it against the law to pay out of pocket for your health care? Who or what is stopping Cruz from paying for his and his wife's healthcare without the aid of the current health care plan that he's trying to abolish?
I'm doing it. I decided that I didn't want parasites sucking off of my tit so I paid the fine, rather my tax credits zeroed the fine out and my costs actually went down. My costs for office visits were cut in half.
I will not be forced into buying a product that doesn't suit me.
Republicans: "If you don't sign these bills defunding Obamacare we will refuse to fund anything else, resulting in shutting down the government." Which is exactly what they did.
Only in Rightwing Land do Republicans expect not to be blamed for their own actions. That must be all that personal responsibility they're always yapping about.
Actually, no, that isn't what happened. They first tried to fund all government except Obamacare, which, quite frankly, is what should have happened. However, Reid and company rejected that proposal and sent it back to the House. So far, politics as usual, and this is where negotiations should have started.
Next, the Republican led House sent a bill back to the Senate which delayed the implementation of the law and repealing the tax on medical devices. This could have been a good place for the Democrats to negotiate with the Republicans - at the very least by agreeing to remove the tax on medical devices - but all they wanted was for the Republicans to bow down and accept the travesty that was and is Obamacare. Therefore, the Democrats in the Senate again sent the bill back to the House.
The Republican led House then sent the bill back to the Democrat led Senate which would have required a one year delay of the implementation of the Obamacare penalty (oops, individual mandate) and that would have required the Congress and staff to purchase insurance without subsidies. However, since the Republicans in the House weren't willing to just let Obamacare pass without any adjustment, the Democrats again rejected their proposal, leading to the partial shutdown of the government.
So, who was more willing to compromise in order to avoid the government shutdown? The Republicans, who tried several different ways of alleviating the burden that is imposed on the average working American by Obamacare - or the Democrats, who flat out refused to negotiate when it came to their dear leader's "legacy" law?
Now that we've seen who actually caused the shutdown, let's take a look at why it lasted as long as it did, shall we?
For the week following the start of the shutdown, the Republican led House passed several bills that would have restarted essential government functions such as FEMA and the FDA, but those bills were rejected or ignored by the Democrat led Senate, who still wanted nothing less than complete compliance from the House when it came to Obamacare. No agreement was reached, so the shutdown continued.
The Republican Speaker of the House, John Boehner, then proposed a 6 week debt limit extension on the condition that Obama discuss spending cuts. No agreement was reached, so the shutdown continued.
Next, a deal was proposed which would reopen the government and require Congress to pay a large portion of their own health insurance costs, but the Democrats refused to give this concession and the far right wingers in the House didn't think that the deal did enough to stop Obamacare. No agreement was reached, so the shutdown continued.
Finally, 17 days after the shutdown started, after mostly Democratic demagoguery keeping the shutdown going for far longer than it should have, a deal was reached and signed that allowed for a temporary reopening of the government and an extension of the debt limit.
That pretty much sums up how the shutdown happened, and why it lasted as long as it did. All in all, while the Republicans made a couple of strategical errors, it was the Democrats who actually caused all the ruckus by refusing to negotiate on a law which, to this day, hasn't done one single thing that it was supposed to do.
So Cruz is losing health insurance (per HeyJude) and then re-signing back up under ACA, where I'm sure he'll pay full price and not get a subsidy, and you guys are claiming this as win, even though the net increase in insured =
ZERO..
This is an example of EXACTLY what took place.. Millions lost policies, and then resigned back up, and your side counts it as a newly insured "positive".
Meanwhile 30 million are still going without insurance despite demands that ACA get passed to insure every american.
It's just a "different" 30 million.
You know, the ones that the current resident at 1600 deem worthy.
Actually, no, that isn't what happened. <snipped revisionist history>
What happened was the GOP would accept nothing less than delaying/defunding/dismantling/refusing to fund the ACA. And the Democrats were not going to let that happen. So the GOP threw a temper tantrum, refused to consider anything that didn't include delaying/defunding/dismantling/refusing to fund the ACA, and shut down the government, because the House Republicans, who held only one chamber of Congress, nonetheless demanded that they should have complete control over the other chamber as well as the executive branch. Ted read Green Eggs and Ham and completely missed the point, like the idiot that he is, and the taxpayers were on the hook for $24 billion for the GOP's follies.
And what was the outcome? The GOP gained absolutely nothing from their shenanigans. Let me repeat, the GOP LOST ON EVERY POINT and finally had to concede that they had only succeeded in pissing off a whole lot of people and squandering a whole lot of money ('cause you know, they're the party of fiscal responsibility.) FOR NOTHING. The government reopened, the ACA went forward, and here you are, four years later, still trying to claim the high ground.
Hilarious.
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What happened was the GOP would accept nothing less than delaying/defunding/dismantling/refusing to fund the ACA. And the Democrats were not going to let that happen. So the GOP threw a temper tantrum, refused to consider anything that didn't include delaying/defunding/dismantling/refusing to fund the ACA, and shut down the government. Ted read Green Eggs and Ham and completely missed the point, like the idiot that he is, and the taxpayers were on the hook for $24 billion for the GOP's follies.
And what was the outcome? The GOP gained absolutely nothing from their shenanigans. Let me repeat, the GOP LOST ON EVERY POINT and finally had to concede that they had only succeeded in pissing off a whole lot of people and squandering a whole lot of money ('cause you know, they're the party of fiscal responsibility.) FOR NOTHING. The government reopened, the ACA went forward, and here you are, four years later, still trying to claim the high ground.
Hilarious.
Well, you can try to spin it that way, but anyone with 2 brain cells to bounce off of each other and that actually pays attention to politics knows what really happened.
Actually, no, that isn't what happened. They first tried to fund all government except Obamacare, which, quite frankly, is what should have happened. However, Reid and company rejected that proposal and sent it back to the House. So far, politics as usual, and this is where negotiations should have started.
Next, the Republican led House sent a bill back to the Senate which delayed the implementation of the law and repealing the tax on medical devices. This could have been a good place for the Democrats to negotiate with the Republicans - at the very least by agreeing to remove the tax on medical devices - but all they wanted was for the Republicans to bow down and accept the travesty that was and is Obamacare. Therefore, the Democrats in the Senate again sent the bill back to the House.
The Republican led House then sent the bill back to the Democrat led Senate which would have required a one year delay of the implementation of the Obamacare penalty (oops, individual mandate) and that would have required the Congress and staff to purchase insurance without subsidies. However, since the Republicans in the House weren't willing to just let Obamacare pass without any adjustment, the Democrats again rejected their proposal, leading to the partial shutdown of the government.
So, who was more willing to compromise in order to avoid the government shutdown? The Republicans, who tried several different ways of alleviating the burden that is imposed on the average working American by Obamacare - or the Democrats, who flat out refused to negotiate when it came to their dear leader's "legacy" law?
Now that we've seen who actually caused the shutdown, let's take a look at why it lasted as long as it did, shall we?
For the week following the start of the shutdown, the Republican led House passed several bills that would have restarted essential government functions such as FEMA and the FDA, but those bills were rejected or ignored by the Democrat led Senate, who still wanted nothing less than complete compliance from the House when it came to Obamacare. No agreement was reached, so the shutdown continued.
The Republican Speaker of the House, John Boehner, then proposed a 6 week debt limit extension on the condition that Obama discuss spending cuts. No agreement was reached, so the shutdown continued.
Next, a deal was proposed which would reopen the government and require Congress to pay a large portion of their own health insurance costs, but the Democrats refused to give this concession and the far right wingers in the House didn't think that the deal did enough to stop Obamacare. No agreement was reached, so the shutdown continued.
Finally, 17 days after the shutdown started, after mostly Democratic demagoguery keeping the shutdown going for far longer than it should have, a deal was reached and signed that allowed for a temporary reopening of the government and an extension of the debt limit.
That pretty much sums up how the shutdown happened, and why it lasted as long as it did. All in all, while the Republicans made a couple of strategical errors, it was the Democrats who actually caused all the ruckus by refusing to negotiate on a law which, to this day, hasn't done one single thing that it was supposed to do.
Well, you can try to spin it that way, but anyone with 2 brain cells to bounce off of each other and that actually pays attention to politics knows what really happened.
The majority of Americans saw through the rabid right's attempt to spin and put the blame for the shutdown squarely on the GOP. And one of the problems in Congress right now is that two brain cells are about all most Tea Partiers possess.
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