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How was a "yes" answer to "Do you think gays and lesbians do or do not have a constitutional right to get married and have their marriage recognized by law as valid? recorded?
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Originally Posted by Seacove
Christians practice adultery all the time but there has been no request for a legal right to turn adulterers away.
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Originally Posted by Seacove
It's strange how Christians will use laws to persecute certain lifestyles they deem sinful but ignore others. Never have I seen a business refuse service to a known adulterer. Never have the right wingers demanded a law to protect them from adulterers.
Interesting that you choose adultery as your sin of choice to compare this to. Most adulterers don't throw a catered affair for their affairs. I am willing to bet that if someone ordered a cake or flowers for their adulterous affair there are a lot of people, not just Christians who might refuse.
I bet there are also a lot of photographers who would refuse to photograph a couple (or group) having sex. Does a photographer have a right to refuse that work? If so, on what basis?
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I haven't read any of this so sorry if this is a duplicate. SalesForce is going to boycott and conventions will not renew contracts. I don't know much about Indiana except that it is now codifying bigotry into law. Hey, good luck with that law. It is going to cost ya billions.
Can you recite for me the words from the Indiana law that "codify bigotry"
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It's strange how conservatives, who supposedly cherish liberty, support empowering businesses to trample individual liberty.
Discuss.
It's strange how liberals, who supposedly cherish liberty, support empowering government to trample individual liberty and constitutional rights.
Discuss.
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this stuff is why conservatives are maligned as much as they are.
the difference between a radical islamist and a fundamentalist conservative is not much.
Yeah because not baking a cake for a wedding is exactly like sawing off someone's head.
Only because we keep them in check. Under different circumstances, fundamentalist christians would be (and have been) just as nasty as fundamentalist muslims.
LOL typical liberal spewing hate against christians.
One of the problems of this law is that it is overly broad and allows business owners to discriminate against anyone if it goes against "their sincerely held religious beliefs." (How can 'sincerity' be proved in a court of law anyway?)
People here who are trying to defend the law are citing the one or two cases out west where a baker and a florist violated the local non-discrimination laws by refusing to serve a gay customer. These problems never arose in Indiana. The law in Indiana does not mention bakers or florists ... look it up and read the law. This law was poorly crafted and once it goes into effect a hotel can refuse accommodations to LGBT folks (or Jews or Buddhists or Hindus or any other group that goes against their religious beliefs), any shop or restaurant or business providing services to the public will now have a license to discriminate.
I think Seacove makes a valid point: if you, as a business owner, are going to discriminate then own up to it. Put a sign on your door that says "No Jews, Gays, or Dogs Allowed."
Of course if Gov. Pence and his Republican colleagues were clever they would have drafted a law that was worded more clearly and defensible, one stating something like "in the interests of protecting business owners from endorsing, engaging in, or celebrating holidays or events that are contrary to their religious beliefs, goods and services may be restricted to the place of business." In other words, if a gay couple comes into the shop to buy decorations for the wedding party, fine; but the party planners do not have to decorate the venue with groom-groom or bride-bride decorations."
I really thought that Mike Pence was one of the more smarter Republicans. He had a reputation of being very competent and pragmatic as a congressman.
If he signs this abomination, he may as well forget those presidential ambitions. But for some reason, these right wingers just can't help themselves even when they know what they're about to do is dumb. Republicans in Indiana gain absolutely NOTHING by implementing this nonsense.
But whatever. They voted for him so...(shrug).
Exactly. And what I don't understand is how ANYONE can claim that their God says discriminating against anyone else is the way they should live their lives. After all, their very own Bible says we should love our neighbors. Isn't it convenient that their God always rejects the same people these "religious" people do
This is all about the lawsuit and federal government coming down on that baker for not baking a cake for the gay couple and them being fined out of business. This law is to protect the business owner. Just because kkk is not a preferred group like gays are doesnt mean the punishment to a business for offending the first doesnt cover the latter.
You still cant deny someone service because of their skin color, religious beliefs, or sexually in indiana. You can deny doing a service that promotes ideas you dont believe in under this law. Those are 2 different things. Example: gay couple wants to get married a florist doesnt believe in gay marrage can tell them they wont make thier florial arrangement for the wedding. But they cant say we wont service you at all because you are gay. That is against federal law. In otherwords deny a event is ok, deny for all service regardless is against the law. If that gay person who got married comes back in and wants flowers for a funeral the business must sell them flowers. Unless said business owners religious beliefs are against all funerals. That would be very bad business practices for a florist.
LOL typical liberal spewing hate against christians.
Your tired comment works for AM radio, but not in reality. You can't call "Christians" who spew hate getting called out as "liberal spewing hate"
BTW, the "Christian" right movement is not Christian. Christians believe in Christ and the Gospel. American conservative policies almost always are counter to that. However liberal policies are more aligned with the teachings of Christ and the Gospel.
I hope businesses shun Indiana. People need to know that electing bigoted conservatives like Mike Pence to public office has very serious consequences.
The Final Four is being played in Indianapolis, and they are still planning on playing there, but I think they will make a statement to the effect they don't agree with their bigotry.
Also, I've long heard that Indiana was the heart of the KKK in the Midwest for many years, so this state has a legacy that would support their latest bigotry.
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