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I honestly don't think Orthodox Jews hate Piggy's BBQ's owner. They're just exercising their religion by refusing to patronize Piggy's, which is their First Amendment right.
I will agree to your First Amendment hate speech point, however. That does specifically involve hate.
I'm certainly not arguing that not eating pork is based in hate. Denying people the same benefits as others in many cases is though. Ignorance, hate, misunderstanding......it's all there.
I'm certainly not arguing that not eating pork is based in hate. Denying people the same benefits as others in many cases is though. Ignorance, hate, misunderstanding......it's all there.
There's business, and then there is religion. The two should stay separate. Not because it's the right thing to do, because it's smart business and in America that is everyone's religion.
What is next, some gas station owner shuts off his pump when a Hummer driver tries to fill up because he thinks Hummers ruin the environment and the business owner is a member of the Global Warming religion?
The First Amendment does matter. It protects the right of people who you hate to live in accordance with their own beliefs and values instead of yours, and to still be treated by you in commercial transactions just the way you treat everyone else.
Exactly. The American Revolution was fought and the 1st Amendment was adopted to protect the 'right' to buy flowers, cake, and pizza for same sex weddings
There's business, and then there is religion. The two should stay separate. Not because it's the right thing to do, because it's smart business and in America that is everyone's religion.
I agree that the best business model is one where you offend no one but it's not my call how others run their business. Chick Fil-A closes on Sunday. It hasn't seemed to hurt them.
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What is next, some gas station owner shuts off his pump when a Hummer driver tries to fill up because he thinks Hummers ruin the environment and the business owner is a member of the Global Warming religion?
IMO that would be their right. If it works for them, great. If it puts them out of business, they then have no one but themselves to blame.
There's business, and then there is religion. The two should stay separate.
SCOTUS has very recently ruled on the impact of a business owner exercising their religion in conducting their business, including examining the issues of substantial burden, and less-restrictive means:
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"In a 5-4 decision with a splintered dissent, the Supreme Court held that the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) cannot mandate a closely held corporation to violate the religious beliefs of its owner by providing four abortion-inducing drugs. Specifically, the court held that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 requires the government to accommodate such corporations just as it does not-for-profit corporations because the contraceptive mandate substantially burdens the owners’ religious beliefs and there are less-restrictive means of providing contraception (the government can pay for it directly)."
Note the bolded parts. Wedding ceremony goods and services are readily available elsewhere via less-restrictive means.
The First Amendment matters.
Yep, Hobby lobby does not have to provide something that violates their religious beliefs, but they can not pick and choose who they do or do not provide it to. Just like bakers do not have to offer wedding cakes, but they can not pick and choose who they will provide them to if they do sell them.
No, you were fighting using religion. You quoted those scriptures in an attempt to validate your hatred of homosexuals. You made it perfectly clear you were in that camp before you did that, so to claim you're not a Christian and still use Old Testament scriptures to explain why it's OK to do so, is weak to say the least.
If you feel that way, post in your own words not in those you purport to not believe.
And you claim the Christian God is not all about love? Ever read any of the teachings of Jesus? You know, the guy who inspired Christianity? He never preached about hatred, only love.
You sound like the typical "salad-bar" Christian pick what you like,reject what you don't,and you do not know scripture or your god very well.I notice you ignore the god of the OT and those scriptures and only like the warm fuzzy Jesus!!!!!
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Now this is Jesus speaking~But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.Luke 19:27
"He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (Luke 22:36)"
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.Rev.2:22
23-And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.Rev2:23
HOW ASININE to ignore that Jesus taught that marriage was only between one man and one woman! He even considered those who divorce and remarry while the previous spouse is still living.... ADULTERERS!
His disciples whom he sent out to teach what he had taught them told what would happen to the homosexuals and how is was UNNATURAL!
btw,I went back and checked and my posts were not deleted[pg174post-1732,pg180-posts1792-1796-1797],including where I said I am not a CHRISTIAN! So NUFF SAID about your credibility/character!
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Yep, Hobby lobby does not have to provide something that violates their religious beliefs, but they can not pick and choose who they do or do not provide it to.
If bakers decline to provide wedding cakes for same-sex weddings for all who request such, based on the bakers' Constitutional right to exercise their religion, they're not picking and choosing. They're declining all such requests.
I just quoted your exact words. And SCOTUS has already ruled that the First Amendment Freedom of Religion rights of closely held corporation owners cannot be violated when less-restrictive means of acquiring goods/services is available.
The First Amendment matters.
Scotus did not say that Hobby Lobby could provide BC for some and not others, they just said that they did not have to provide it, but they must do so across the board.
Bakers do not have to provide cakes, but if they do they must do so across the board.
You sound like the typical "salad-bar" Christian pick what you like,reject what you don't,and you do not know scripture or your god very well.I notice you ignore the god of the OT and those scriptures and only like the warm fuzzy Jesus!!!!!
Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Now this is Jesus speaking~But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.Luke 19:27
"He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. (Luke 22:36)"
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.Rev.2:22
23-And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.Rev2:23
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16.
I think the main word there is "whoever". I know gay folks that believe in him.
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