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Old 03-31-2015, 09:36 AM
 
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Being Black or White is ethnic; wheelchair is a physical issue and has absolutely nothing to do with sex, or religion.

How far are you willing to let the government law interfere with your life?

Atheist only conducting business with other atheist, well we'll just have to see what the 'law' has to say about that and government finance.
What?
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:36 AM
 
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The purpose? The public good?

Equality.

"One nation, UNDER GOD, with Liberty and Justice FOR ALL".


See, FOR ALL.



All should have the liberty to shop and purchase services anywhere they choose.

It's pretty simple, really.
Exactly and you want to deny people the religious liberty with whom they choose to do business.
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Nope it's not a good thing. It's obvious you do, so now we understand that you support Apple's sanction of these countries to execute homosexuals.
So, since Apple is against discrimination they should discriminate?

That makes perfect sense.
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:37 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Since when did Apple run the government of those countries?
No one said they did. This all hinges on Apple CEO Tim Cook's statement: "Apple 'will never tolerate discrimination.' " ...Yet they sell to people/countries who/which execute homosexuals just because they are homosexual.

https://www.apple.com/choose-your-country/

Countries on Apple's list where they execute homosexuals:
– Uganda
– Nigeria
– Qatar
– Saudi Arabia

Here are the 10 countries where homosexuality may be punished by death - The Washington Post

How is selling to countries/people which/who execute homosexuals "never tolerating discrimination?"

So when does the massive boycott of Apple begin? Or is everyone complaining about Indiana's law just a bunch of disgustingly opportunistic hypocrites?
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:38 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The cons need to change their tune on this thread. Pence has come out saying that the reason for the law has nothing to do with homosexuals, but is because of Obamacare! Funny that no righties who have commented here or elsewhere have mentioned anything other than cakes and photography for gay weddings. Be that as it may, we need to get with the new narrative.

I'll start. Obamacare forced Indiana to pass this law. If Obamacare is repealed then the law can be repealed as well.
Sounds like something Glen Beck would make up, complete with chalkboard and arrows!
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:38 AM
 
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About sums up the RWNJs rather nicely.
No, it's just propaganda engrained with stereotypes.
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:38 AM
 
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Of course they do. Serving a gay person does not lessen their right to their views.
It's not your call. That's the problem. The 1st says people have the free exercise of religion , not the free exercise as long as you agree with it.

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But they are pertinent to current civil rights laws, nonetheless.
I believe Civil Right laws are discriminatory. As others have pointed out, they protect certain aspects of religious rights but not the same rights for the Atheist.

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Well fine is not the word I would choose, but yes, private unincorporated persons are perfectly free to discriminate as long as they are not a public entity. Of course they are. Much as I would find it distasteful, if you aren't taking advantage of the public by opening a public business then you don't have to serve the gays or the blacks, or the disabled or the women. That's how it should be.
You changed the subject.

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There are advantages open to businesses beyond financing once they become a legal entity. So if you want to discriminate against a protected class, don't open a public business.

Private persons have no such restrictions, nor should they.

Now an argument against having a protected class at all is a related different argument, IMO. Considering we do have those laws, suspending them for religious views only is not fair. Either all businesses are allowed to discriminate for any reason at all or they aren't.
You've moved away from the government financing the business to businesses in general but I agree that removing them only for religious reasons are wrong. They should be removed period. The Atheist should have the same rights as the Catholic.
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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The photographer takes pictures, they don't participate either. They don't give away a bride, or sign the certificate, or even toast the couple at the reception. They point the camera, and push the button. If they have a problem taking wedding photos they should not offer wedding photography services.

Venues do not participate in the wedding either, it's a building. The person renting the building doesn't even have to be at the location during the ceremony.

Ministers if part of a religious order have the ability to turn away anyone they choose. IF the person officiating is not a minister, then again they should not offer wedding services if it conflicts with their religion.

If your religion says you can not do X, Y, or Z. Don't open a business, or apply for a job, that requires you to do X, Y, or Z.

I feel the same way about Muslims and their pork issue. If they can not be around pork, they should not offer pork for sale, or take a job where they will have to handle pork.

Thank you for this post. you clearly outline the prog view.


The First Amendment must be shreded. religious freedom is only freedom if it complies with what progs want it to mean.

period.

i dont like your version... not at all.
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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So does the US government. Do you think that the US government supports those executions?
Oil companies do business with those countries, are they supporting those executions?
You buy gas, do you support those executions?

Buying or selling a product does not mean that you support nor endorse everything that is involved with that product, like selling a cake does not mean that you are supporting the event the cake is for.
Your moral relativism is indefensible so don't even try. The problem is that your not honest about it.
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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No one said they did. This all hinges on Apple CEO Tim Cook's statement: "Apple 'will never tolerate discrimination.' " ...Yet they sell to people/countries who/which execute homosexuals just because they are homosexual.

https://www.apple.com/choose-your-country/

Countries on Apple's list where they execute homosexuals:
– Uganda
– Nigeria
– Qatar
– Saudi Arabia

Here are the 10 countries where homosexuality may be punished by death - The Washington Post

How is selling to countries/people which/who execute homosexuals "never tolerating discrimination?"

So when does the massive boycott of Apple begin? Or is everyone complaining about Indiana's law just a bunch of disgustingly opportunistic hypocrites?
You can post this a million times, but it doesn;t change the FACT that Apple is not discriminating.
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