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Old 03-31-2015, 10:17 AM
 
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No it doesn't. I posted earlier the example of Curve's, the women's health clinic. They cater only to women because they believe women would be more at ease in that environment, not because they hate men.
Uh, you need to read my post in relation to those I was referencing.
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Houston
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So you're okay with the Jim Crow era "No Blacks" sign in the door? You'd have no problem were it introduced today?

It was Jim Crow laws, i.e. government, that enforced segregation. Do you understand the difference between private citizens and government?

Government should not be allowed to discriminate, individuals should.
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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Uh, you need to read my post in relation to those I was referencing.
Correct you are. Sorry.
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:21 AM
 
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There are people that feel that these problems are best left to the government. That doesn't make them a Fascist, just wrong.
Your about two steps behind me. Reread my posts within the context of those to which I was responding.
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:21 AM
 
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So you're okay with the Jim Crow era "No Blacks" sign in the door? You'd have no problem were it introduced today?
I feel that any non-essential business should have the right to post a "No Blacks" sign. Of course, it would be a business I'd shun.

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Plenty of people take me seriously.
I am one of those.

I can see no issues with allowing the consumers to decide if they want to use a business that discriminates. I'd love to know if I were supporting a business owned by a racist, it would allow me to boycott such a business.
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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I like you, am conflicted with this issue, as well, but....

Sodom and Gomorrah - Bible Story Summary

It did not end well for them.

There as different ways man will one day become extinct. Let us count the ways.
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"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
Ezekiel 16:49

No mention of cake, flowers, weddings, or homosexuals.
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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Correct you are. Sorry.
No apology necessary.
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:25 AM
 
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How is Apple selling to anyone discriminating? If they decided NOT to sell to some people or countries THAT would be discriminating.
Exactly. Selling to everyone, regardless of their beliefs or personal lives, is not discrimination.

If businesses are going to use this law to discriminate against certain customers, they should be required to post signs on their doors stating that fact. I want the right to know that they are jerks before I give them my money.
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:26 AM
 
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I feel that any non-essential business should have the right to post a "No Blacks" sign. Of course, it would be a business I'd shun.



I am one of those.

I can see no issues with allowing the consumers to decide if they want to use a business that discriminates. I'd love to know if I were supporting a business owned by a racist, it would allow me to boycott such a business.
Today's modern day liberals are afraid of real Freedom. The prefer the blanket of big government to protect them from all of societies non-physically threatening ill's.
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:29 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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So far there hasn't been a case where the couple forced anyone to provide anything they would not have provided to anyone else. So no special big gay cake, or floral arrangement. In fact all cases have been about the baker/florist saying they would not provide any cake/flowers for the couple for the event.

The church thing is ridiculous. Churches can, and do, refuse ceremonies based on race (just last year) religion (all the time) and even because they don;t like the brides dress (a couple of years ago). No one is saying that churches have to do anything against their beliefs. I have never seen a single case where a CHURCH was forced to host any ceremony for anyone at all. If you have, please link it.
Businesses are not churches.
However, business owners go to church.

Now the Bible does give direction that is clear, in that it states 'we are to follow man's law', and it makes no exceptions therein, that I am aware.
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