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No. It's not. Believers aren't second class citizens either. This is about whether a business owner can protest. It's about whether you can call him a bigot and destroy his business if he protests in any way.
Any American is free to protest. If that protest involves breaking the law, than that protester takes that into account. That's always been how it works, there's always been a price to protesting. In fact, incurring the price in public is often the *goal* of a protester, because they are betting that the public will come to sympathize with them.
Gays have also had their livelihoods and their lives destroyed by religious people who once held the upper hand. Those days are gone.
Private businesses should be allowed the FREEDOM to refuse service to anyone they choose.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I totally agree!
Why is that the RADICAL MILITANT homosexuals and their supporters ARE ALLOWED to spew their hate speech,and ram their choices upon the rest of society?!?!?
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This controversy is exactly about gays, and whether, when they are transacting business in the public sphere, they can be treated as second-class citizens or not.
No one is telling religious people that they cannot call gay people immoral, just as no one is telling religious people that they can't call a hollywood star immoral. Have at it!
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That's not what the legislators say. They say these laws are not permission to discriminate. But if a business owner is refusing to sell his products and services to a specific group of law-abiding people, then what else is that, but discrimination? Selling products or services to someone is not participating in that person's lifestyle, nor is it approbation of any kind. It's BUSINESS. Selling goods or services. Period.
These bakers will gladly sell a birthday cake to a homosexual and be happy to do it. But commemorating a ceremony that is contrary to their religious beliefs is another matter.
This is not about discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation, because if that is what they were doing, then these bakers would refuse to sell to homosexuals under any circumstances. But that is not the case.
So, these laws will not restrict the bakers ability to refuse to commemorate a religiously vile and objectionable ceremony such as a homosexual "marriage". And there is nothing contained in the clarification of this law that alters that in any way.
No. It's not. Believers aren't second class citizens either. This is about whether a business owner can protest. It's about whether you can call him a bigot and destroy his business if he protests in any way.
EXACTLY!!!!!!: ok:
Too bad there isn't a vacant country where all the homosexuals could move to and stop trying to force the rest of society to "pretend" their lifestyle is NORMAL!
You continue to ignore that a person's personal spiritual convictions don't justify marginalizing people they encounter in the public arena.
They're private enterprises, and if states want to change laws to bring fairness to a proprietor's wish to demonstrate spiritual ideals while earning an honest living then such legislation isn't breaking the law.
Marginalizing people is a Constitutional right in any sphere other than business.
These bakers will gladly sell a birthday cake to a homosexual and be happy to do it. But commemorating a ceremony that is contrary to their religious beliefs is another matter.
This is not about discriminating against people because of their sexual orientation, because if that is what they were doing, then these bakers would refuse to sell to homosexuals under any circumstances. But that is not the case.
So, these laws will not restrict the bakers ability to refuse to commemorate a religiously vile and objectionable ceremony such as a homosexual "marriage". And there is nothing contained in the clarification of this law that alters that in any way.
Then bakers are going to have to change their business plans. Because their market environment is changing. Like it or not.
No. It's not. Believers aren't second class citizens either. This is about whether a business owner can protest. It's about whether you can call him a bigot and destroy his business if he protests in any way.
I think any business owner should have some measure of control over what services a prospective customer might ask him to perform.
A business owner is not a slave to the any whims and notions of any customer who walks in the door.
There must be a the line that a person as a business owner can refuse to cross.
Indiana legislators announced changes today that state that their law can not be invoked by private businesses to deny services to gays or other gender benders. Will this satisfy the left? And the bigger question now is what is the point of the law at all if the bakers have to bake gay cakes?
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The language in the legislation states that the law does not, "Authorize a provider to refuse to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public based on race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or United States military service."
Any American is free to protest. If that protest involves breaking the law, than that protester takes that into account. That's always been how it works, there's always been a price to protesting. In fact, incurring the price in public is often the *goal* of a protester, because they are betting that the public will come to sympathize with them.
Gays have also had their livelihoods and their lives destroyed by religious people who once held the upper hand. Those days are gone.
Well, I agree. He has certainly left himself wide open for persecution and prosecution. But I don't think he had this goal in mind.
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I totally agree! 
