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Old 03-30-2015, 01:36 PM
 
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Last comment from me on this - you suggested that he may be looking to be rewarded. He didn't say that.
OMG. THE OP claimed he was being punished. Please stop with this nonsense.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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All I want to do is earn a paycheck, put my money in a low-risk savings account, not have to worry about its value being inflated away by the government printing money to pay for warfare and welfare, and then I want to be able to buy assets with those savings and not have to worry about those assets being taken away or taxed to death. I want to pay only foe the government services that I use.

Why does the government punish people like me? Why does it instead reward people who don't work or who spend more than they make?
I think you need to stop blaming others for your situation, get off your butt and do whatever it takes to improve your situation....Whining about it will get you nowhere.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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If the government stopped interfering with your life people would soon realize that those in political power are not only not to be trusted, they're not needed!
If magic fairy-dust rained down from heaven we could all ride a unicorn to the Big Rock Candy Mountains.

But for those of us in the real world, government does exist. And it meddles. Has for the entire history of civilization. Always will.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:39 PM
 
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No, try thinking positive. The "majority" of people on welfare/handouts/whatever are capable of taking responsibility for themselves. When one actually works and becomes independent, one gains tremendous self-respect and good feeling about accomplishment. That's human nature. That is what created America and what gives any one the ability to feel good about themselves, which leads to more incentive, which leads to a better life. Do you have a problem with that? I don't.

I believe everyone should have the opportunity and actually the responsibility to accomplish success that gives them a better life and opens doors to enjoy and progress.
Ah yes. A idea thats not factually bound.

You put "majority" in quotes...why? Because thats where you departed from reality. You started making biased assumptions. You bought in to the propaganda you listen to.

By god, we should put 12 year olds to work in factories too, because "quotes all the above"

No really!

And hey Timmy who is dying from parkinsons? By golly timmy needs to take responsibility for himself!
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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I think you need to stop blaming others for your situation, get off your butt and do whatever it takes to improve your situation....Whining about it will get you nowhere.
I do agree with this.

What the government has been doing is making it hard to do what should be natural.

By giving people something for doing nothing productive (regardless of fault) - in combination with taking more of what productive people earn - there's a tension for doing what should be done versus taking the easy road. Throw in the increasing amounts of regulations that make it tough to be productive and many people start thinking "why should I even work?"

The government should not make it hard to be productive.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Ah yes. A idea thats not factually bound.

You put "majority" in quotes...why? Because thats where you departed from reality. You started making biased assumptions. You bought in to the propaganda you listen to.

By god, we should put 12 year olds to work in factories too, because "quotes all the above"

No really!

And hey Timmy who is dying from parkinsons? By golly timmy needs to take responsibility for himself!
If you have no more grip on human nature than your very sorry and wrong and lack of ability to know what is being communicated in plain English, I don't know what to tell ya! Would be a waste of time to try to relate anything based on reality to you.

Have a good day!
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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I do agree with this.

What the government has been doing is making it hard to do what should be natural.

By giving people something for doing nothing productive (regardless of fault) - in combination with taking more of what productive people earn - there's a tension for doing what should be done versus taking the easy road. Throw in the increasing amounts of regulations that make it tough to be productive and many people start thinking "why should I even work?"

The government should not make it hard to be productive.
Who are these many people? I've never run into one in. Everyone I know would lose everything if they stopped working and went on welfare.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:51 PM
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Location: Portland, OR
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OMG. THE OP claimed he was being punished. Please stop with this nonsense.
I don't think you're getting this. Let me break it down for you, as you clearly seem frustrated and confused.

Your first reply in this thread:
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If you're looking to be rewarded, you've answered your own question. Quit your job and go on welfare. Your words, not mine.
The OP never stated he wanted to be rewarded, only that he was being punished. Not wanting to be punished isn't the same as wanting to be rewarded... unless you see the lack of punishment as a reward.


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Last comment from me on this - you suggested that he may be looking to be rewarded. He didn't say that.
DRob was simply refuting your first post where you stated that the OP was looking to be rewarded. I will repeat DRob, The OP didn't say that.

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OMG. THE OP claimed he was being punished. Please stop with this nonsense.
Which brings us to your final post. You're exactly right. The OP did claim he was being punished. No one has argued that. You stated in your first post that he wanted a reward, which he did not. That is what DRob was stating. I don't know why that's hard to understand. Like I stated above, the lack of punishment isn't a reward.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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If you have no more grip on human nature than your very sorry and wrong and lack of ability to know what is being communicated in plain English, I don't know what to tell ya! Would be a waste of time to try to relate anything based on reality to you.

Have a good day!
He brought up a good point. Where is your evidence that a majority of people are capable of taking responsibility for themselves? Historically, more than half those on welfare are children, so right there your claim goes out the window.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:54 PM
 
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I don't think you're getting this. Let me break it down for you, as you clearly seem frustrated and confused.

Your first reply in this thread:


The OP never stated he wanted to be rewarded, only that he was being punished. Not wanting to be punished isn't the same as wanting to be rewarded... unless you see the lack of punishment as a reward.



DRob was simply refuting your first post where you stated that the OP was looking to be rewarded. I will repeat DRob, The OP didn't say that.


Which brings us to your final post. You're exactly right. The OP did claim he was being punished. No one has argued that. You stated in your first post that he wanted a reward, which he did not. That is what DRob was stating. I don't know why that's hard to understand. Like I stated above, the lack of punishment isn't a reward.
LOL! Yeah, I'm so frustrated. Parse away. Have fun.
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