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I had a discussion with several of my friends last night, and couple of them believe that a true libertarian will not support gay marriage.
reasons are
"All told, when one honestly looks at what’s being done in the name of equality, supporting gay marriage turns out not to be very libertarian after all, but is actually very totalitarian when put to practice. The homosexual agenda turns out not to be about liberty, but instead is revealed to be just one more way for the state to control you and circumvent your rights.
Protecting someone’s choice to engage in certain behaviors, and forcing others to affirm and support those behaviors against their will, are two dangerously different things.
Instead, let us propose an alternative view. It would be a far more “libertarian” question to ask why all marriage is illegal by default – that is, until we pay the state for a “license” to wed.
Until those fundamental questions are resolved, it doesn’t matter if we argue for or against same-sex unions.
I tend to agree with the above article. I am all for gay marriage because I don't think gay marriage will harm anybody. I do however, believe a business owner has the right to NOT bake a gay wedding cake for the homosexual couples SIMPLY because of personal liberty and religious freedom.
Gay Rights: What exactly is A Libertarian Approach?
Does a true Libertarian support gay rights and gay marriage?
I tend to agree with the above article. I am all for gay marriage because I don't think gay marriage will harm anybody. I do however, believe a business owner has the right to NOT bake a gay wedding cake for the homosexual couples SIMPLY because of personal liberty and religious freedom.
Do you believe a busess owner should have the right to NOT bake a wedding cake for a black or interracial couple because it violated his religious beliefs?
Do you believe a busess owner should have the right to NOT bake a wedding cake for a black or interracial couple because it violated his religious beliefs?
I would think a Pure Libertarian would personally be ok with gay marriage but would support anyone elses right to discriminate based on any reason they choose
Do you believe a busess owner should have the right to NOT bake a wedding cake for a black or interracial couple because it violated his religious beliefs?
You'd be surprised. Many Libertarians actually disagree with such concepts as equality and the equal protection clause/non-discrimination laws. Despite the fact that such things actually help the economy and the "market" function properly.
That rep from Oklahoma had the right thought: If you're going to make these idiotic "freedom to discriminate" laws, then there should be clear notice to the public required for any business that wishes to take advantage of the law. The general public should know - going in - that this is a store that will discriminate. That way, they can choose whether or not they are going to spend money at that store -- at all.
Gay people can steer clear not only when looking to buy a wedding cake, but also when looking to buy a birthday cake or a dozen cookies.
I would think a Pure Libertarian would personally be ok with gay marriage but would support anyone elses right to discriminate based on any reason they choose
I had a discussion with several of my friends last night, and couple of them believe that a true libertarian will not support gay marriage.
reasons are
"All told, when one honestly looks at what’s being done in the name of equality, supporting gay marriage turns out not to be very libertarian after all, but is actually very totalitarian when put to practice. The homosexual agenda turns out not to be about liberty, but instead is revealed to be just one more way for the state to control you and circumvent your rights.
Protecting someone’s choice to engage in certain behaviors, and forcing others to affirm and support those behaviors against their will, are two dangerously different things.
Instead, let us propose an alternative view. It would be a far more “libertarian†question to ask why all marriage is illegal by default – that is, until we pay the state for a “license†to wed.
Until those fundamental questions are resolved, it doesn’t matter if we argue for or against same-sex unions.
I tend to agree with the above article. I am all for gay marriage because I don't think gay marriage will harm anybody. I do however, believe a business owner has the right to NOT bake a gay wedding cake for the homosexual couples SIMPLY because of personal liberty and religious freedom.
Gay Rights: What exactly is A Libertarian Approach?
Does a true Libertarian support gay rights and gay marriage?
Thanks
Yes, they do support it. The problem is a lot of people seem to associate Libertarianism with supporting a lot of Republican viewpoints. About the only area they really agree with them on is economics. The majority of things that Libertarians support are not things that the Republican party supports or agrees with.
Do you believe a busess owner should have the right to NOT bake a wedding cake for a black or interracial couple because it violated his religious beliefs?
Honestly, if somebody refuse to do business with me simply because I am mixed (White/Asian) I will just take my business elsewhere.
But I will certainly share my experience on social media network. Seem fair.
Like I posted earlier in another forum,
Freedom, in our understanding, implies also the freedom to be wrong. Bigotry and prejudice, so long as they do not involve coercion, must also be tolerated.
Canadian libertarian gay activist and poet, Ian Young pointed out a long time ago, A more effective way to deal with this problem is through gay self-help: direct action, when the need arises, by means of negotiation, picketing, boycott, etc.
Yes, they do support it. The problem is a lot of people seem to associate Libertarianism with supporting a lot of Republican viewpoints. About the only area they really agree with them on is economics. The majority of things that Libertarians support are not things that the Republican party supports or agrees with.
I would agree with that. I always believe Libertarians support gay marriage.
Honestly, if somebody refuse to do business with me simply because I am mixed (White/Asian) I will just take my business elsewhere.
But I will certainly share my experience on social media network. Seem fair.
Like I posted earlier in another forum,
Freedom, in our understanding, implies also the freedom to be wrong. Bigotry ad prejudice, so long as they do not involve coercion, must also be tolerated.
Canadian libertarian gay activist and poet, Ian Young pointed out a long time ago, A more effective way to deal with this problem is through gay self-help: direct action, when the need arises, by means of negotiation, picketing, boycott, etc.
I don't think that kind of discrimination (refusing to do business due to race) occurs very often anymore.
Being of another race is not viewed as immoral in any religion that I know of. Certain behaviors, though, are viewed differently.
Funny how any and all 'libertarian' principles just happen to favor straight white christian males.
I'm sure it's a coincidence. Couldn't possibly be a bunch of angry white males wrapping their bigotry in lofty freedom-language.
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