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Old 04-03-2015, 12:54 PM
 
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So then TM wasn't trying to get away from the guy following him?
I'd say running from a creepy guy in a truck constitutes an effort to get away from the guy following you, especially when Martin apparently told the ear witness on the phone he was afraid of the guy and trying to get away from him. So, there was a witness-corroborated effort to get away. If you're referring only to why Martin didn't start running a second time after Zimmerman reappeared on foot, no, it doesn't appear Martin made another effort to get away at that point.
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Why not? To confront the guy?
What do you mean by 'confront'? Staying in place would not justify drawing the conclusion that there was an intention to commit felonious assault upon Zimmerman, though that is certainly one of several possible motives for staying in place. Another would be an intention to have a verbal discussion to ascertain who Zimmerman was and his motives for following.
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Do you think Zimmie could catch up to TM?
Especially considering TM had a big head start?
The ear witness testified under penalty of perjury that Martin had told her he was stopped, catching his breath, and talking with her on the phone at the point in time we know Zimmerman was getting out of his truck, talking with dispatch, and moving in Martin's direction on foot. Do you have any evidence-based reason why this specific statement by that witness should be discarded as perjury in favor of a different conclusion that would necessitate Zimmerman catch a running target? No? Then enough with this whole "Zimmerman had to be superman to catch a fast-moving Martin" line of reasoning. Martin was stopped. It's not difficult to catch up to someone if you're moving and they aren't. It doesn't take any athletic prowess whatsoever.
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Old 04-03-2015, 12:57 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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He was living there at the time.
Are you saying he wasn't smart enough
to find his way home. That sounds racist.

My "assumptions" are based on the evidence.
I still wanna know what you think he was
doing during those four minutes.

Yes, it was dark. Do you think the complex had lights?

According to Wiki, he was NOT living there:

On the day he was fatally shot, he and his father were visiting his father's fiancée and her son at her town home in Sanford, Florida. She lived in The Retreat at Twin Lakes, a

He was visiting.

Yes, most likely the complex had lights. However, with the rain they might not have made much of an impact on the dark. After all, one of the witnesses, very close to the scene, had trouble making out who was who, remember? I think that covers the question of light.

Your assumptions are based on evidence? You blindly refuse to consider all of the lies zimmerman spoke about what happened.

What bush did Trayvon jump out from?

Zimmerman had to backtrack on that because, first, there were no bushes, and second, where he 'thought' the bush was happened to be pretty far from where he was supposedly knocked down and attacked.

He's a liar.
He's a cold blooded killer.

No two ways around it.
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Old 04-03-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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No two ways around it.
Well, alrighty then.
The jury saw things differently and so did Eric Holder's DOJ.
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Old 04-03-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Well, alrighty then.
The jury saw things differently and so did Eric Holder's DOJ.
Sure, but consider the source: a Florida jury*. A Florida jury also found Casey Anthony not guilty.

Are you really under the impression that juries are infallible? That no guilty person was ever set free and no innocent person was ever sent to jail?

The DOJ found that there was no evidence that the crime (and it WAS a crime) was a hate crime. That was what they were investigating, not zimmerman's innocence or guilt.

I've seen several people get those things confused. It's really not that hard to understand.

Maybe their confusion is deliberate.


*apologies to all other Floridians
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Old 04-03-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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He was keeping the stalker from finding out where he lived.

Course, that raises the question: If he wasn't doing anything wrong, then why would he care whether a stalker knew where he lived?
If the stalker is also a rapist

Don't forget, TM also had a little not brother brother to protect from crazy rapist.
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Old 04-03-2015, 08:03 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Zimmerman was NOT fat when he killed Travon.

He porked up for the trial.

Draw your own conclusions.

Just don't try to imply that how he looked at the trial was how he looked when he killed Travon.
He gained more weight and turned into a complete tub of goo, but he was already a rolly-polly guy at 5'8" 200lbs on the night of the shooting. No one in their right mind would believe he could have caught Trayvon in a foot race, much less a foot race where Trayvon had an insurmountable head start.

Let's be clear, Zimmy didn't catch Trayvon. Period. Even the defense didn't claim that happened, because it's not a scenario that any reasonable person would believe.

It's a fabrication. A conspiracy theory if I'm being kind. It's a narrative that some people want propagated because they want to win, not because they want justice.
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Old 04-03-2015, 08:12 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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You cannot be serious.. for no other reason? If you think that was all there has been to it, that is pretty sad.

It's funny how you think others "willfully ignored all data, evidence and facts", since there was a lot that truly WAS left out or overlooked, that would have helped in deciding a different outcome.
Right. With Eric Holder, the DOJ, the NAACP, every 'social justice' organization in the country looking over their shoulders and the mainstream media covering every aspect of this trial, these things all got overlooked by the police, prosecution, the special prosecutor and only you caught them.
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Old 04-04-2015, 04:07 AM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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His friend Rachel said that. Read her testimony.

What is your theory on what he was doing for those four minutes?

It is laughable that anyone thinks that pudgy
Zimmie caught up to a young athletic TM.
I have said before, I think they were both looking out for and dodging each other. I don't believe T would have wanted to get involved, but knew someone was following him and think he was darting in and out of hiding, still on the phone, too. But this would be when Z had hung up with the dispatcher and was very likely still on the hunt. Why don't some wonder what Z was doing during those four minutes, certainly not having gone back to his truck, which would not have taken that long.

(Z was not as heavy then as he was at all other times / photos). If I can post, I will.

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Old 04-04-2015, 05:16 AM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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He gained more weight and turned into a complete tub of goo, but he was already a rolly-polly guy at 5'8" 200lbs on the night of the shooting. No one in their right mind would believe he could have caught Trayvon in a foot race, much less a foot race where Trayvon had an insurmountable head start.

Let's be clear, Zimmy didn't catch Trayvon. Period. Even the defense didn't claim that happened, because it's not a scenario that any reasonable person would believe.

It's a fabrication. A conspiracy theory if I'm being kind. It's a narrative that some people want propagated because they want to win, not because they want justice.
He was thinner then, compared to any other time seen. People get confused due to all the heavier photos of him that have circulated.

It's not that there was a "foot race", but appears they were moving at the same time, in different areas, on the lookout for each other. They inevitably came within contact, but was not that T was just strolling, thinking this was fun and wasn't that Z was not still on the search. So, they caught up to each other, but you think it is just that "it is not a scenario that any reasonable person would believe"?

It is not a fabrication, a conspiracy theory, or an "idea" due to some "wanting to win". It is the need to discuss the injustices that occurred and to point out realities, that if not overlooked, would have otherwise caused an appropriate outcome.
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Old 04-04-2015, 05:37 AM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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Zimmerman was NOT fat when he killed Travon.

He porked up for the trial.

Draw your own conclusions.

Just don't try to imply that how he looked at the trial was how he looked when he killed Travon.
Right - he was really big in that "orange jumpsuit" photo that was a previous mug shot. Then, was thinner when this incident occurred, as shown during the re-creation at the scene. Then, prior to and during the trial, he got huge, again. (Which likely, because that was his way of dealing with the fact that he'd done something hideous).

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