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Old 04-01-2015, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So true.

I have a child in school and some of the math homework that I see is ridiculous. A lot of it is overly complicated and overly confusing. Some of it is definitely not developmentally appropriate. Sometimes we just skip the math homework and do something else math related like memorizing times tables, etc. I think it's good for kids to understand the why's and how's of a math problem but the way that some of the Common Core curriculum goes about it is beyond ridiculous.
And usually that occurred later in the higher level Math classes after all the fundamentals have been learned.

Now we have 3rd graders being taught abstract algebraic concepts and they still haven't learned all their times tables.

Math is sequential learning. The foundational skills must be learned to understand the concepts later on.
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I will say thought that Common Core is keeping me busy as a Math tutor in our local schools.

Texas did not accept Common Core and instead wrote their own standards which are exactly the same as Common Core.
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:00 AM
 
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And usually that occurred later in the higher level Math classes after all the fundamentals have been learned.

Now we have 3rd graders being taught abstract algebraic concepts and they still haven't learned all their times tables.

Math is sequential learning. The foundational skills must be learned to understand the concepts later on.

Exactly. I feel like kids need to have to have the foundation down before they can move on to higher level concepts. It's way too confusing for them to try to learn both at the same time. I have seen the abstract algebraic concepts that you are talking about in third grade. It's totally inappropriate at the age and at that stage. Those are the types of lessons that I tend to just skip because I feel like it's pointless and causes more harm then good as in the kid gets confused and loses confidence because they can't make sense of it when the reality is they are not developmentally ready for it.
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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So true.

I have a child in school and some of the math homework that I see is ridiculous. A lot of it is overly complicated and overly confusing. Some of it is definitely not developmentally appropriate. Sometimes we just skip the math homework and do something else math related like memorizing times tables, etc. I think it's good for kids to understand the why's and how's of a math problem but the way that some of the Common Core curriculum goes about it is beyond ridiculous.
I was trying to help my daughter out with homework, she kept telling me I was wrong because I did it "wrong", and if she did it my way, she'd fail...

It got so frustrating I gave up, and that pisses me off to no end because I'm home to help my children..
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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I was trying to help my daughter out with homework, she kept telling me I was wrong because I did it "wrong", and if she did it my way, she'd fail...

It got so frustrating I gave up, and that pisses me off to no end because I'm home to help my children..
I have had the exact same experience. It is very frustrating.
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:15 AM
 
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I will say thought that Common Core is keeping me busy as a Math tutor in our local schools.
No doubt. As my tutoring rep gets to more and more parents, Common Core is like the greatest thing ever for my moonlighting. Absolutely, no doubt, the math crippling that fuzzy, common core math inflicts on kids is simply creating my tutoring customer base. TYVM, Leviathan, because that's some very helpful meddling, at least for me.

That nonsense math that is part of common core...it's so damaging, crippling and destructive to learning later mathematics that I am damn near guaranteed quality employment for life because I have a BS and MS in Math. Hell, just my ability to teach fractions is a moneymaker these days.

Thank you Common Core, for producing legions of math morons who are all asked later on to get STEM degrees!! On behalf of all the private math tutors out there...WE SALUTE YOU!!
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:27 AM
 
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No doubt. As my tutoring rep gets to more and more parents, Common Core is like the greatest thing ever for my moonlighting. Absolutely, no doubt, the math crippling that fuzzy, common core math inflicts on kids is simply creating my tutoring customer base. TYVM, Leviathan, because that's some very helpful meddling, at least for me.

That nonsense math that is part of common core...it's so damaging, crippling and destructive to learning later mathematics that I am damn near guaranteed quality employment for life because I have a BS and MS in Math. Hell, just my ability to teach fractions is a moneymaker these days.

Thank you Common Core, for producing legions of math morons who are all asked later on to get STEM degrees!! On behalf of all the private math tutors out there...WE SALUTE YOU!!
BINGO..that's what I'm constantly asked to do for 5-8 grade.
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:30 AM
 
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Not much is really changed in content with regards to CC.
What has changed is that there is more testing and the teachers will be held to blame for students failing.
Then you no nothing of CC as just the convoluted way to do math alone is absurd.


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Old 04-01-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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Then you no nothing of CC as just the convoluted way to do math alone is absurd.



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The convoluted Math is not new to Common Core.
It's just that the issue of Common Core has brought it to the foreground where people can see this.
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Old 04-01-2015, 09:34 AM
 
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BINGO..that's what I'm constantly asked to do for 5-8 grade.
I mentioned this in a thread on the Education forum, but fractions, long division and basic rules of exponents are easily 90% of my tutoring. And right now I have two students in college taking pre-Calc, and most of what I help them with comes right back to fractions, long division and basic rules of exponents.

A nation of math cripples. Just more business for me.
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