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The problem is that schools have done a horrible job implementing both. Both would have been FAR more successful if students were grouped in classes by ability/skill level so that instruction could be much more specifically targeted. EVERYONE learns more that way, because no one gets shortchanged, as they do now in mixed-ability classrooms where the functional level of the students can vary by 5 or more grade levels. K-12 Education in the US is a joke.
And if a teacher states what you just did s/he gets labeled a troublemaker and accused of hating poor/minority/slower, etc. students and, depending on the school system, called a racist.
No, it isn't. Vocational Education is the non-Academic track in those countries.
Is it Special Ed? No. It's the non-academic vocational track.
Here, in most systems, Vocational Education is now what Special Ed is called. What used to be Vocational Education is now called Technology and Career Education.
Sorry, you're wrong. Or don't understand that European school systems are set up differently than here.
Back in the day, Jimmy Carter and his cohorts discovered that there was big money to be had in education reform.
Was there really anything wrong with education before 1975? .. um .. not really. But that didn't stop the boys at the top from making that area of our world into just another money making proposition.
Every attempt to fix something that wasn't already broken has been a dismal failure - but never mind that - education reformists weren't interested in fixing anything, they were and are, interested in making money, and every since 1980, education reform has been one of the biggest money makers on the hill since the inception of discrimination and racism. (which themselves are huge money makers)
Base 10 is just as worthless as No Child Left Behind - Every single President from Reagan to Obama has been on the education reform meat wagon because it's proven itself to be a wonderful way to make a free buck.
When this nation was founded, people were amazed at the literacy level of Americans - We had no formal education standards .. we had no one telling us what to learn and how to learn ... there were no government mandated guidelines or rules. People learned to read and write because they wanted to, and though any discipline might have been applied to achieve the goal of being educated at the time, we became known for our tact and intelligence.
Education has been rambling along since our founding, unabated and full of the kinds of information that gave a free nation the power to pick and choose their way along the course of his or her own academics.
Since 1980, it's all gone to h*ll and back with less people being truly educated than ever before. Standards mandated by the powers that be that saw our eventual undoing with High School kids graduating without even knowing how to read.
So when you ask the question, "Common Core: What's The Deal?" -- you'll find all of the answers you need by looking back over the history of the Dept of Education ... Government policy as it might be applied to the education of our children is a huge failure that pays ungawdly huge dividends to the ones that make the policy.
Short answer? ... Education reform doesn't work - It was never intended to work from the very beginning.
Common Core will fail as it was designed to do just like all of the others - In a few years and with a new President and Education Secretary, we'll all be faced with another "New and Improved" reform that will fail -- and so it goes, and so it goes ...
Back in the day, Jimmy Carter and his cohorts discovered that there was big money to be had in education reform.
Was there really anything wrong with education before 1975? .. um .. not really. But that didn't stop the boys at the top from making that area of our world into just another money making proposition.
Every attempt to fix something that wasn't already broken has been a dismal failure - but never mind that - education reformists weren't interested in fixing anything, they were and are, interested in making money, and every since 1980, education reform has been one of the biggest money makers on the hill since the inception of discrimination and racism. (which themselves are huge money makers)
Base 10 is just as worthless as No Child Left Behind - Every single President from Reagan to Obama has been on the education reform meat wagon because it's proven itself to be a wonderful way to make a free buck.
When this nation was founded, people were amazed at the literacy level of Americans - We had no formal education standards .. we had no one telling us what to learn and how to learn ... there were no government mandated guidelines or rules. People learned to read and write because they wanted to, and though any discipline might have been applied to achieve the goal of being educated at the time, we became known for our tact and intelligence.
Education has been rambling along since our founding, unabated and full of the kinds of information that gave a free nation the power to pick and choose their way along the course of his or her own academics.
Since 1980, it's all gone to h*ll and back with less people being truly educated than ever before. Standards mandated by the powers that be that saw our eventual undoing with High School kids graduating without even knowing how to read.
So when you ask the question, "Common Core: What's The Deal?" -- you'll find all of the answers you need by looking back over the history of the Dept of Education ... Government policy as it might be applied to the education of our children is a huge failure that pays ungawdly huge dividends to the ones that make the policy.
Short answer? ... Education reform doesn't work - It was never intended to work from the very beginning.
Common Core will fail as it was designed to do just like all of the others - In a few years and with a new President and Education Secretary, we'll all be faced with another "New and Improved" reform that will fail -- and so it goes, and so it goes ...
Possibly the best summary of the decline of our education system that I've yet seen. Well done.
And if a teacher states what you just did s/he gets labeled a troublemaker and accused of hating poor/minority/slower, etc. students and, depending on the school system, called a racist.
I find that really hard to believe considering the fact that teachers unions are some of the most powerful unions in the US. Harness that power and make the necessary changes. Otherwise, sit back and watch the ever-continuing dumbing-down downward spiral.
I find that really hard to believe considering the fact that teachers unions are some of the most powerful unions in the US. Harness that power and make the necessary changes. Otherwise, sit back and watch the ever-continuing dumbing-down downward spiral.
Except for a couple states "powerful Teacher's Unions" is an oxymoron. That is a pernicious urban myth with no basis in reality for most teachers in the US.
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I don't see that. Can you give a specific example?
The EU is trying to integrate special needs students into vocational training the last few years. Historically that wasn't done.
What those countries actually actually do, and have always done, is start tracking students very early so by the time the PISA tests are administered anyone in the vocational track is out of the academic setting and in vocational training.
The EU is trying to integrate special needs students into vocational training the last few years. Historically that wasn't done.
That's not an example of how Special Ed in the US is now called Vocational Ed. Please give an example of that. That's what I asked.
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