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Old 04-01-2015, 01:54 PM
 
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Just shining some light on it and sharing information. You guys hopped on it right away. I didn't lie about the facts did I? My opinion is that it's a racket with as much as they are earning. It's up to the people in those unions and states to change things. If they are OK with it - nothing I can do.
OK So he makes 500K all told right? And you find this outrageous right? He represents one of the largest unions in the country correct?

By comparison the average CEO of a fortune 500 make 10 million a year. IE 20X what he does.

And why the focus on CEO's? I thought that was a mistaken liberal thing? They focus on the CEO's while ignoring where the real money is being made. You know, like how the top 2 hedge fund managers make more then the top 500 CEOS combined.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Union leaders represent the workers and ensure fair pay and a comfortable work environment among many other things-CEOs not only don't represent the workers but are a hindrance to them by receiving bonuses when Americans are laid off in mass and labor is outsourced to foreign nations.

Why do you care so much what others make? If you put the time and effort in, I'm sure you can improve your lot in life.
Unions on a voluntary basis - that's fine.

The mandatory unions - those I have an issue with.

I understand the basic function of a union. However, people complain of CEO salaries - I counter that they have an investment in their business that the employees don't have. So I am trying to understand what the investment is for union leaders into their unions.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:55 PM
 
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Like I said, your argument is based on hypocrisy. Your complaint is that union leaders make too much. Then you follow up and say although CEOs make more than union leaders, it should be okay.
CEO's have to earn money for their shareholders or they are turfed out.

Union leaders make their money of the sweat equity of the workers they claim to support.

Even a blind batcrap crazy homeless person can see that difference.
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Old 04-01-2015, 01:57 PM
 
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Unions on a voluntary basis - that's fine.

The mandatory unions - those I have an issue with.

I understand the basic function of a union. However, people complain of CEO salaries - I counter that they have an investment in their business that the employees don't have. So I am trying to understand what the investment is for union leaders into their unions.
I'm not aware of any mandatory unions.

You can choose to not be in the union, and pay a "fair share" amount which is less than union dues.
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Old 04-01-2015, 02:02 PM
 
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Yeah - nice try. I don't do that. The fact that the dues are mandatory is what makes it a racket.
The workers have to vote for a union before there is a union. What part of that do you cons not get?
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Old 04-01-2015, 02:03 PM
 
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I'm not aware of any mandatory unions.

You can choose to not be in the union, and pay a "fair share" amount which is less than union dues.
Have you not been following Wisconsin's union fight with Scott Waker? Much of that was about mandatory dues and membership to unions. You can search other threads for that.
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Old 04-01-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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Just shining some light on it and sharing information. You guys hopped on it right away. I didn't lie about the facts did I? My opinion is that it's a racket with as much as they are earning. It's up to the people in those unions and states to change things. If they are OK with it - nothing I can do.
And by "change things" would you happen to mean totally abolish unions and make the workers completely at the mercy of the corporations?
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Old 04-01-2015, 02:06 PM
 
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Unions on a voluntary basis - that's fine.

The mandatory unions - those I have an issue with.

I understand the basic function of a union. However, people complain of CEO salaries - I counter that they have an investment in their business that the employees don't have. So I am trying to understand what the investment is for union leaders into their unions.
There are no mandatory unions
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Old 04-01-2015, 02:06 PM
 
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Have you not been following Wisconsin's union fight with Scott Waker? Much of that was about mandatory dues and membership to unions. You can search other threads for that.
Its not mandatory, you can feel free to work elsewhere.
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Old 04-01-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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The workers have to vote for a union before there is a union. What part of that do you cons not get?
Union Dues Now Permanently Mandatory for Public Employees

Lawsuit Against Mandatory Union Dues Moves Forward in California

Report: Mandatory Union Membership Hurting Workers


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Its not mandatory, you can feel free to work elsewhere.
I understand you can work anywhere - but in certain states with certain types of employment - union membership is mandatory and they collect dues.
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