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Old 04-02-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I assume you are referring to the CRC, yeah, that was an option to try to pay for a new crossing to replace the current one. So not really the same thing, we still have a bridge between two states that needs to be replaced.

And of course you would oppose it, Obama is suggesting it, but I am sure if a Republican you like wanted new tolls, you would be right in line supporting the decision.

Tolls make perfect sense to me. They are fairer. A mile driven by a minimum wage worker is no different than a mile driven by Bill Gates.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Tolls make perfect sense to me. They are fairer. A mile driven by a minimum wage worker is no different than a mile driven by Bill Gates.
So then what exactly did you oppose? I guess I wasn't following what you were opposing.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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So then what exactly did you oppose? I guess I wasn't following what you were opposing.

I would only oppose mandatory chips and GPS systems. Tolls are fine.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I would only oppose mandatory chips and GPS systems. Tolls are fine.
Ah, you were saying Portland proposed the micro chipping of cars for mileage, yeah, that was pretty much dead on arrival. There is no way people of Oregon would support microchipping cars, it would be much easier to simply check the mileage of cars here when they go in to renew their plate stickers.
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Old 04-02-2015, 06:47 PM
 
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Barry should leave the interstates alone.

We do not need more taxes or anything else to be taxed.

Period.
Well, your states need more tax dollars, or more Federal transportation funding to fix the interstates.

The Federal government can issue the money tomorrow, but your Republican plutocrats have been blocking infrastructure bills for the last 6 years. They know infrastructure creates well-paying construction jobs. They can't let Obama look like he is helping the economy.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Well, your states need more tax dollars, or more Federal transportation funding to fix the interstates.

The Federal government can issue the money tomorrow, but your Republican plutocrats have been blocking infrastructure bills for the last 6 years. They know infrastructure creates well-paying construction jobs. They can't let Obama look like he is helping the economy.

And the liberal utopias could raise local gas taxes and accomplish the same thing.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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If 100% of federal and state taxes collected on a gallon of fuel was actually spent on legitimate road improvement, there would be plenty of money available. Too much is siphoned off for non road projects.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I answer this question in every thread.
Falsely, by suppressing evidence.

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We have taxes to reduce excess savings that would impede production capacity.
And yet people still live paycheck-to-paycheck, and America historically has one of the worst savings rates ever.

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Buying debt" is irrelevant. The government can and does purchase its own debt.
And that inflates the Money Supply generating Monetary Inflation.

Cant' wait to see your face in about 10 years when you're experiencing Monetary Inflation, along with Cost-push Inflation and Demand-pull Inflation on top of it.

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So then what exactly did you oppose? I guess I wasn't following what you were opposing.
The gasoline tax is a regressive tax, according to Liberals.

The tolls provide of means of potentially lowering or eliminating the regressive gasoline tax.

Liberals oppose the tolls.

That's what hypocrites do.

Game. Set. Match.

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We can't "leave the interstates alone". We need our aging roads and infastructure fixed. This costs money. Period.
You need to spend $3.3 TRILLION in the next 10 years, and you ain't got it.

Still tolling...


Mircea
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:24 PM
 
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Subsidizing mass transit keeps people off the roads, in turn requiring less maintenance. I couldn't imagine how much worse traffic would be in Chicago if the 2 million daily rides on CTA and Metra were dumped onto the streets.
Firstly by putting the money into roads you'll have better roads. Secondly even if the traffic conditions were that bad why would they not continue to use mass transit? People are going to use whatever gives them the best value for their money.
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Old 04-02-2015, 09:29 PM
 
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Tolls make perfect sense to me. They are fairer. A mile driven by a minimum wage worker is no different than a mile driven by Bill Gates.
A per mile tax based on the weight of the vehicle is basically a toll, the only issue is how to collect it buy that can be resolved without GPS.

I would suggest increasing the taxes on trucks as that is what is really being subsidized. That will drive up the cost of goods however that will also drive more long haul freight onto rail where it belongs. Long term you will save on road costs.
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