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Old 04-10-2015, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Saudi Arabia does not have nukes on demand. Pakistan is not a Sunni country. We need to get our facts straight first.
Pakistan is approx 85% Sunni, 15% Shiite.
Iraq is 60-70 percent Shiite, 20-30 percent Sunni, and 10 percent Kurdish.
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Old 04-10-2015, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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HA HA HA HA...Congress wants a say in these Iran power talks.

And they have a bill with 50 amendments so far. LOL...

One of the amendments..back in 1979 Iran held 52 American hostages. The USG wants some money from Iran for that ordeal.

Dems, GOP propose 50-some amendments to Iran nuclear bill
The last thing we need is congress involved in sensitive negotiations, doesn't matter which party is in control they would filibuster a cure for cancer.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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And Iran knows that. If Iran attacked Israel, Israeli bombs would rain constantly upon their heads and the U.S. would join in. Iran has no death wish.
Yup, that's why they hire Hezzbollah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas to do there dirty work. A rather "hands off" approach to fighting Israel.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:42 PM
 
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Yup, that's why they hire Hezzbollah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas to do there dirty work. A rather "hands off" approach to fighting Israel.
Israel can take care of themselves.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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No, Israel does not promote U.S. interests. Often times Israel is a detriment to the U.S. in the Middle East. Yes the current U.S. policy, even though I think it should be dropped, is to defend Israel, which is foolish as Israeli interests and U.S. interests are not alike and should not be treated as such.

It is not that the U.S. may be drawn into a conflict it is just that the U.S. unnecessarily involves itself in conflicts that are not the U.S.'s, such as Syria, Libya, Yemen, or Ukraine. No point in getting involved in a fight that is not the U.S.'s for Saudi Arabia, Israel, or any other country.
I know your not this obtuse. There are many reasons behind the U.S-Israel alliance:

A) Israel is in the business to prevent radical regimes and radical non-state actors from acquiring the means to create catastrophic harm.

B) U.S needs Israel as a permanent strategic ally so it can project its power in the region.

C) Israel a country which no Arab country will ever accept in the region, will be a permanent ally with the U.S, without the fears of Israel allying with an enemy.

The Middle East is home to the worlds most important natural resources. Wishful thinking If you believe the U.S will not be drawn into conflict.

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Yes Iran is wanting dominance over its Sunni rivals, which is why it is heavily supporting the Shi'a government in Iraq the U.S. put in. Iran is a Shi'a majority country, and since Shi'a are in the minority of Muslims it would be very hard if not impractical for Iran to export its revolution to most other Muslim countries, since most Muslims are Sunni and the Sunni and Shi'a tend not to get along. Sure Iran could try to export it to Yemen, Bahrain, or Azerbaijan, but those countries are small and insignificant to the U.S.
Yet, Iran has made an hegemonic presence in Iraq, Syria and Yemen. They have done enough for the GCC to form its coalition to offset Iranian hegemony. But obviously the Sunni-Shia struggle is an armed struggle for dominance. They are killing each other Ohio for power play.

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As for armed struggle against Israel, that is Israel's problem and Israel should handle it on their own as they see fit.

Regarding its struggle against Western powers, in particular the U.S., it is history catching up with us.

However, if the U.S. decides to take military action against Iran due to the nuclear program (irony is the U.S. gave Iran its nuclear program) there will be blow-back and causalities and can not be won by air power alone as Sen Tom Cotton (R-AR) foolishly thinks.
Tom Cotton: Military Action Against Iran Would Take Only 'Several Days' : It's All Politics : NPR
U.S and Israel are strategic ally's. U.S and Israel have a common interests in preventing Iran from its asymmetrical warfare in the region. If anybody, the Arab countries are making more noise than Israel.

The United States did not give Iran its nuclear program, but Russia did through the NPT. There is a high risk involved for military action, but it should be noted that any military action against Iran will be retaliated in Israeli communities, not ours.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:47 PM
 
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Israel can take care of themselves.
You got all the answers huh.

Israel can 'take care of themselves' but are 'warmongers' when threatened daily. The hypocrisy is strong.

Care to address Iran's proxy war against Israel?
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:51 PM
 
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You got all the answers huh.

Israel can 'take care of themselves' but are 'warmongers' when threatened daily. The hypocrisy is strong.

Care to address Iran's proxy war against Israel?
I did. Nobody is going to attack Israel. Despite the rhetoric and rhetoric is their way of life no country is going to attack Israel. Like so many countries over there they will have to put up with a bomb here or there.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:57 PM
 
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I did. Nobody is going to attack Israel. Despite the rhetoric and rhetoric is their way of life no country is going to attack Israel. Like so many countries over there they will have to put up with a bomb here or there.
Nope, the Israeli Prime Minister is within his rights to address concern regarding Iran's nuclear program and its threat of an Israeli annihilation. This is more than just rhetoric but coming from a theological supreme leader who has Israeli blood on his hands. Even Abbas from the Palestinian Authority is worried about a more endowed Iran. What we see today is that nobody in the Middle East wants to put up with a "bomb here and there."
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Old 04-10-2015, 08:00 PM
 
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Nope, the Israeli Prime Minister is within his rights to address concern regarding Iran's nuclear program and its threat of an Israeli annihilation.
They can go for it. I feel bad for the Israeli people though.

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This is more than just rhetoric but coming from a theological supreme leader who has Israeli blood on his hands. Even Abbas from the Palestinian Authority is worried about a more endowed Iran. What we see today is that nobody in the Middle East wants to put up with a "bomb here and there."
Of course not but who wants to put up with tornado's and floods either?
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Old 04-10-2015, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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They can go for it. I feel bad for the Israeli people though.
This issue is that there is no easy solution and the Israeli people are against military action unless absolutely necessary for survival.



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Of course not but who wants to put up with tornado's and floods either?
We haven't seen anything yet. How about Iran destroying the equilibrium between Sunni's and Shia's. More refugees problems and more risk of oil field takeovers by non state actors.
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