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And yet is it Christian shops that are screaming that their "religious beliefs" are being trampled because they have to sell all products and services to gays.
I wonder if they will be held to the same standard as the Muslims were.
To be fair, just a couple of shops here and there run by, let's face it...nuts. But they have rights so the question is do they have the right to do this in their private business?
It wasn't long ago when gay people asking to be married were considered nuts.
It was a right-wing hissy fit over a trivial nothing, and certainly irrelevant to the issue at hand.
Wrong.
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"In a 5-4 decision with a splintered dissent, the Supreme Court held that the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) cannot mandate a closely held corporation to violate the religious beliefs of its owner by providing four abortion-inducing drugs. Specifically, the court held that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 requires the government to accommodate such corporations just as it does not-for-profit corporations because the contraceptive mandate substantially burdens the owners’ religious beliefs and there are less-restrictive means of providing contraception (the government can pay for it directly)."
A law cannot mandate a closely held corporation to violate the religious beliefs of its owner. Doing so substantially burdens the owners’ religious beliefs when there are less-restrictive means of providing similar goods/services.
The SCOTUS ruling is very clear on that.
Buy a wedding cake somewhere else, like any of these sources. They're beautiful:
Here is something you are not grasping: The first amendment right is not absolute. There are tons of restrictions on the right.
Which is why SCOTUS stipulated the following restrictions in their ruling:
Quote:
"In a 5-4 decision with a splintered dissent, the Supreme Court held that the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) cannot mandate a closely held corporation to violate the religious beliefs of its owner by providing four abortion-inducing drugs. Specifically, the court held that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 requires the government to accommodate such corporations just as it does not-for-profit corporations because the contraceptive mandate substantially burdens the owners’ religious beliefs and there are less-restrictive means of providing contraception (the government can pay for it directly)."
A law cannot mandate a closely held corporation to violate the religious beliefs of its owner. Doing so substantially burdens the owners’ religious beliefs when there are less-restrictive means of providing similar goods/services.
The SCOTUS ruling is very clear on that.
Buy a wedding cake somewhere else, like any of these sources. They're beautiful:
To be fair, just a couple of shops here and there run by, let's face it...nuts. But they have rights so the question is do they have the right to do this in their private business?
It wasn't long ago when gay people asking to be married were considered nuts.
So far according to the courts they do not have the right to refuse service based on their "religious beliefs" in violation of state laws.
So far according to the courts they do not have the right to refuse service based on their "religious beliefs" in violation of state laws.
How can someone with a private business be forced to serve anyone? That is the can of worms I don't want to see opened.
Personally, I think they're idiots. You shouldn't be in business if you cannot separate your personal feelings from making a profit. They are wrong, 100% wrong IMO. But how do we enforce this and remain a free society?
How can someone with a private business be forced to serve anyone? That is the can of worms I don't want to see opened.
Personally, I think they're idiots. You shouldn't be in business if you cannot separate your personal feelings from making a profit. They are wrong, 100% wrong IMO. But how do we enforce this and remain a free society?
That can has been open since the 60s when the civil rights act was passed. Every state has had anti-discrimination laws on the books for decades. This isn't something new.
Which is why SCOTUS stipulated the following restrictions in their ruling:
A law cannot mandate a closely held corporation to violate the religious beliefs of its owner. Doing so substantially burdens the owners’ religious beliefs when there are less-restrictive means of providing similar goods/services.
The SCOTUS ruling is very clear on that.
Buy a wedding cake somewhere else, like any of these sources. They're beautiful:
Why bully someone into violating their First Amendment rights when perfectly beautiful wedding cakes are easily available elsewhere?
From Alitos opinion on the HL case.
Quote:
As this description of our reasoning shows, our holding
is very specific. We do not hold, as the principal dissent
alleges, that for-profit corporations and other commercial
enterprises can “opt out of any law (saving only tax laws)
they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious
beliefs.”
How can someone with a private business be forced to serve anyone? That is the can of worms I don't want to see opened.
Personally, I think they're idiots. You shouldn't be in business if you cannot separate your personal feelings from making a profit. They are wrong, 100% wrong IMO. But how do we enforce this and remain a free society?
We don't. And that seems to be the point. Some clearly don't want a free society. They want totalitarianism.
As this description of our reasoning shows, our holding
is very specific. We do not hold, as the principal dissent
alleges, that for-profit corporations and other commercial
enterprises can “opt out of any law (saving only tax laws)
they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious
beliefs.”
And then ruled in exactly the opposite way. Hmmm...
Sure you did. I heard a report yesterday that Jesus is opening a B&B with Warren Buffet myself.
We don't need a report to inform us that, because it's a part of human nature. When people perceive one group is acting like a bully against another group, they may come out against the perceived bully. This can happen even if people had no prior opinion on the matter before.
This is even more prone to happen if people identify with the group being bullied, in this case, people who identify themselves as Christians, or just as people of some other religious faith.
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