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Old 01-18-2008, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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No. The narrower concept that you want to label as legitimate self-interest is both informed and respectful of the interests of others. This does not undo the premise that what might then be called parasitic self-interest (the kind that disregards the legitimate interests of others, as originally proposed) is selfish...
Where, and how, I want to live is my business - not the "states" -

If I want to build a 10,000 sq foot home - so be it. If I want 10 A/C units on it - so be it. If I want a fleet of cars and trucks - RV/Motorhomes - that is my business, not the governments

That is what freedom is all about.
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Old 01-18-2008, 03:10 PM
 
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I will not change to suit some left-wing agenda.
It doesn't have anything to do with any partisan agenda from either side. It has to do with whether one is able to recognize and respect the legitimate interests that stakeholders other than oneself may have in the taking or not taking of any contemplated action. The issue goes as much toward simple morality as it does toward politics...
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Old 01-18-2008, 03:13 PM
 
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That is what freedom is all about.
It is not what society is all about. You want personal sovereignty. The right to pure and unbridled self-interest in the face of evident harm done to others. No free society tolerates such selfish behavior...
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Old 01-18-2008, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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It is not what society is all about. You want personal sovereignty. The right to pure and unbridled self-interest in the face of evident harm done to others. No free society tolerates such selfish behavior...
Building a home to suit me is selfish?

Having the types of vehicles that I want is selfish?

You want the government to control what I can own? What I can drive? The type of home I want?

Forget the washington speak - just yes or no to each question will suffice -
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Old 01-18-2008, 09:29 PM
 
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Building a home to suit me is selfish? Having the types of vehicles that I want is selfish? You want the government to control what I can own? What I can drive? The type of home I want? Forget the washington speak - just yes or no to each question will suffice -
Given that it's very likely a social brigand on the other end of the line, the answer is Yes to all of them. Social brigands cannot be trusted...
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Old 01-18-2008, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Given that it's very likely a social brigand on the other end of the line, the answer is Yes to all of them. Social brigands cannot be trusted...

Too funny!
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Old 01-18-2008, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Cold Frozen North
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I can not believe that people would give up hard fought freedoms in this country so easily.
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Old 01-18-2008, 09:51 PM
 
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It doesn't have anything to do with any partisan agenda from either side. It has to do with whether one is able to recognize and respect the legitimate interests that stakeholders other than oneself may have in the taking or not taking of any contemplated action. The issue goes as much toward simple morality as it does toward politics...
Actually, most restrictions imposed on individual freedoms seem to originate on the left side of the political spectrum. I wonder why?
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Old 01-18-2008, 09:57 PM
 
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Too funny!
Too true, actually!
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Old 01-18-2008, 10:14 PM
 
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Actually, most restrictions imposed on individual freedoms seem to originate on the left side of the political spectrum. I wonder why?
False premise. You've got all your war-mongering, union-busting, prison-boosting, medical-care-witholding, tax-evading, immigrant-bashing, abortion-banning, death-penalty-espousing, gay-restricting whackjobs over there on your side of the fence. Asking that people behave as if they undertsood that more than just a single interested party might happen to live around here doesn't really seem like so much in comparison...
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