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Old 01-30-2008, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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With most union arrangements the employees get paid in proportion to their skills. In non-union shops they get paid as little as possible. In the latter case employees have to look out for themselves. Employees should take the training, do the job, get good at it and take the knowledge somewhere you will be paid what you are worth. Employees have to be a ruthless with management as management is with them.

In a dog eat dog world the successful develop a taste for dog meat. Not a pleasant or civilized world.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Milton or Thomas?
Milton, it is laid out in Capitalism and Freedom. Its a good read.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:08 PM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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With most union arrangements the employees get paid in proportion to their skills. In non-union shops they get paid as little as possible. In the latter case employees have to look out for themselves. Employees should take the training, do the job, get good at it and take the knowledge somewhere you will be paid what you are worth. Employees have to be a ruthless with management as management is with them.

In a dog eat dog world the successful develop a taste for dog meat. Not a pleasant or civilized world.
Do you think that union shops price themselves out of the market with high wages?
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Old 01-30-2008, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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No,,, American workers can’t work at prices (wages) below that of China and other import goods and still remain to have an American standard of living. Fair Trade isn’t fair, it has to be balanced trade in an effort to keep jobs within the US and protect American workers with American living standards.
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Old 01-30-2008, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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Yes, and many times the firing of employees are indeed discrimination issues when the details are examined.

Obviously you don't read others posts very well because you are stubbornly redundant over your firing issues. Others have rightly said that most places where the term 'slacker' is prevelant is probabbly not a very good place to work, do you see any merit at all to that statement? For one, employees who need a job, applied , were screened and hired usually try to perform if possible. If the employee is not capable, not trained or somehow not placed to their capabilities is this something the company could address and remedy? Would this not be preferrable than a authoritan view towards others and a punitive attitude?

If I worked in one of these holes and I had any authority over others, if a employee snitched on another alleging 'slacking' I would take great pains to observe the complainer. If a worker is doing their job and minding their own business how do they have the time or right to observe or judge other workers performance?

Many of your comments could be viewed as indigenous of the region your posts originate from.
It's obvious you have no clue what you're talking about. My guess is that you have never worked in a large unionized manufacturing facility. You're basically saying that the good performing workers should just keep their mouths shut and not complain. Yeah, that sounds like a good place to work allright. You probably think that people should just show up and draw a check out of thin air. Quit being naive, get out of you're bubble and live life in the real world!
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Old 01-30-2008, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Comments are getting a bit too personal, back off a little bit and discuss on subject, not each other.
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Old 01-31-2008, 10:21 AM
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Location: NEFL/Chi, IL
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In the right to work areas many times a prevailing authoritarian air is present. Most of the time the workers don't work by contract but at will. Personalities often become focal points and a worker has often been dismissed for personal reasons and not cause. The worker leaves with a blem on his work record and often gets a bad reference. The worker suffers, his dependents suffer and the worker may suffer residual damage for years to come because they were not liked for some particular reason. Legal recourse is often expensive and unsuccessful because the authorities have their rebuttals well rehearsed. This and cases of similar and various nature happen quite frequently. I think the legal profession is familiar with this.

I'm not much of a union cheerleader, but I will certainly admit that this is a brilliant insight that is completely true.
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