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Old 04-08-2015, 10:55 AM
 
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Correct. And all the righties on this thread trying to ease the blame on Bush/Cheney but give no credit to Obama for voting against the debacle.
When did that happen?
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Old 04-08-2015, 10:56 AM
 
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It doesn't happen if congress doesn't approve it.

You can ignore history if you wish; however, that doesn't make you right.
I'm not trying to dispute your irrelevant points.
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Old 04-08-2015, 11:00 AM
 
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Invading Iraq was Bush's mistake. I'm not going to deny it. In the end, it was his decision.
He has even said it was a mistake

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However, we should not forget or ignore that most of Congress (both parties) and a large percentage of the American public backed him up on this mistake.
Ron Paul voted no.

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I can also say it's a good bet, judging by the leaders of both parties, that any President in office at that time would have made the same mistake.
President Paul wouldn't have.

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If you're one of these "that liar Bush was the only person stupid enough to do this" people, well, you're a moron. Yes, Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 911; however, it created an environment of "we can't take any big chances" in regards to what extremists in the Middle East may do going forward. It created a situation that made "doing nothing" a very difficult decision for whomever would have been POTUS at the time.
No he wasn't the only one stupid enough but he was stupid enough and in a position to make the stupid decision.
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Old 04-08-2015, 11:08 AM
 
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He has even said it was a mistake

Ron Paul voted no.

President Paul wouldn't have.

No he wasn't the only one stupid enough but he was stupid enough and in a position to make the stupid decision.
I will say that Ron Paul would be one of the very few major political figures who I could say would have not invaded. Good point there.
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Old 04-08-2015, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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meanwhile in reality it was the LIBERALS disaster, and the LIBERALS who were saying Iraq had wmds....

Iraq was supporting and training alq

every democrat (to include Pelosi who was on the intel committee ) said Iraq still had WMD's

isis was formed in 1999, well before bush/cheney came into office, well before we went into Iraq


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hmm the house and senate intell committee democrats certainly were saying they had them....that's the democrats intell




heck even the weapons inspectors said Iraq was non-compliant


it appears the weapons inspector said, Iraq was not in compliance

Post all the political verbiage you want to.

Bush ordered the Iraq invasion.

The GOP congress was nearly unanimous in passing his Iraq resolution. Some Dems voted for it, too. Most didn't. OK, give them 5% of the blame. Just to make you happy.

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Old 04-08-2015, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Correct. And all the righties on this thread trying to ease the blame on Bush/Cheney but give no credit to Obama for voting against the debacle.

News flash for right-wingers: weak governments allow milititant groups to flourish. Sadaam Hussein offered considerable stability in the region, without him, we get ISIS, Al Qaeda, and the growth of other bad groups.

In Africa, where governments are especially weak, similar militant groups (often religious, but it barely matters) are really flourishing, doing whatever they want. Funded largely by drug and other illegal activity.

While the American right continues to think big or socialist governments are the world's biggest problem. Just glad all the growing legions of right-wing militant groups in America, are mostly just putzing around the woods shooting guns while conservative talk radio plays in the background.
re-writing history???...typical for most liberals

1. Obama was a STATE senator...not a US Senator...so he could NOT have voted for or against

2. but he certainly did speak to wanting saddam hussain gone

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"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."

State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois)
Speech at Federal Plaza, Chicago, Illinois
October 2, 2002
and he also said NOT to withdraw the troops, and that ''deadlines'' were dumb

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"I've never said that troops should be withdrawn. What I've said is, is that we've got to make sure that we secure and execute the rebuilding and reconstruction process effectively and properly, and I don't think we should have an artificial deadline when to do that."

Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois)
During an interview on "Chicago Tonight" with Elizabeth Brackett
April 5, 2004
and he was PROUD of the war and the accomplishment
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"Mr Speaker, Mr Vice President, members of Congress, distinguished guests, and fellow Americans, last month I went to Andrews Air Force Base and welcomed home some of our last troops to serve in Iraq. Together, we offered a final, proud salute to the colors under which more than a million of our fellow citizens fought, and several thousand gave their lives.

We gather tonight knowing that this generation of heroes has made the United States safer and more respected around the world."

President Obama
State of the Union address
January 24, 2012
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Old 04-08-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Bush didn't lie? Boy, I'm sure the 4,000+ Americans who died in Iraq are probably relieved about this!
Good that you realize he didn't lie. Now, could you convince some of the other leftists on here?
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Old 04-08-2015, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The only way that the hardcore apologists (because they're the only ones remaining) can rationalize Dubya's Iraq invasion is to claim that it was all about the chem weapons we sold Saddam in the 80s.

No one else believes that fairy tale.

But as you can plainly see, they're still trying to peddle it.

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Old 04-08-2015, 02:13 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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The only way that the hardcore apologists (because they're the only ones remaining) can rationalize Dubya's Iraq invasion is to claim that it was all about the chem weapons we sold Saddam in the 80s.

No one else believes that fairy tale.

But as you can plainly see, they're still trying to peddle it.

I wonder if the kerds believe Sadam had chemical weapons?
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Old 04-08-2015, 02:21 PM
 
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Some Dems voted for it, too. Most didn't. OK, give them 5% of the blame. Just to make you happy.
A third of the Democrats voted for it and practically every Democrat leader and heavy hitter did.

Do you recognize these names: Baucus, Biden, Clinton, Daschle, Dodd, Edwards, Feinstein, Harkin, Kerry, Nelson, Reid, Rockefeller and Schumer.

Yeah, go ahead and pretend your team wasn't involved if that helps you sleep at night.
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