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EVERYONE does have access to health care...open up the yellow pages and make an appointment with a doctor
health INSURANCE is not care
its your body, its your health, its your bill... pay for the services rendered , don't expect someone else or some other entity(ie private insurance, government insurance, or the taxpayer) to pay YOUR bill
My comment stands.
Semantics and word games to beat around the original point;
Christian psychopaths do not want poor people to receive the same amount / quality of care as rich people. It is immoral. End of story.
And yet...its STILL better then before, and the rate of healthcare costs increased has dropped.
It's better for some, worse for others and not properly funded by anyone. It doesn't do a lot of good to have insurance but still not be able to afford the deductibles.
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Get someone behind the idea of medicare for all, and I am on board. Until then-come up with some non psychotic idea to improve healthcare.
It's better for some, worse for others and not properly funded by anyone. It doesn't do a lot of good to have insurance but still not be able to afford the deductibles.
Shrug. So the argument is...the insurances just too damn high. And I kind of agree, we get half the results for twice the costs compared to the rest of the world. Additionally the damn insurance and documentation is just freaking nuts. Its easier for me to do my taxes then it is to manage my health insurance!
We need to do it like every other darned major country out there. But when people suggest that everyone screams about socialism. We need to recognize that some things government do actually works. Healthcare for all is one of them. Its not perfect, but look at what we have....
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I've stated mine many times.
Yes, Im sure in the 26,966 or so posts you have made that you probably have. And I am sure I will hunt that down amongst those thousands, and ..... wait no I won't. Maybe if you had like under 20 posts I would, but you and me both are way beyond the point where thats a reasonable response to others.
Plus I Don't recall everything you post. Its entirely possible I missed it somewhere. Or I am getting too old to recall it amongst the thousands of posts I read.
Shrug. So the argument is...the insurances just too damn high. And I kind of agree, we get half the results for twice the costs compared to the rest of the world. Additionally the damn insurance and documentation is just freaking nuts. Its easier for me to do my taxes then it is to manage my health insurance!
We need to do it like every other darned major country out there. But when people suggest that everyone screams about socialism. We need to recognize that some things government do actually works. Healthcare for all is one of them. Its not perfect, but look at what we have....
Not all countries have our government. The only thing the two parties care about is staying in power. Nothing else.
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Yes, Im sure in the 26,966 or so posts you have made that you probably have. And I am sure I will hunt that down amongst those thousands, and ..... wait no I won't. Maybe if you had like under 20 posts I would, but you and me both are way beyond the point where thats a reasonable response to others.
Plus I Don't recall everything you post. Its entirely possible I missed it somewhere. Or I am getting too old to recall it amongst the thousands of posts I read.
Don't try to blame this all on the law. The problem is the premise of the argument. The law is ****ty but for different reasons:
Democrats: Obamacare to give health insurance to those who need it, while protecting pharm and insurance companies.
Republicans: Obamacare helps people = bad
The fact that we are arguing over if people who couldn't get previously get affordable health care should be able to get it is just immoral. It shows how psychotic this country truly has become. Obamacare sucks because we should be using single-payer like the rest of the world. The right-wing loons howl socialism over a compromise with big business. Unbelievable.
Most people haven't looked into this issue enough to really understand what we have here. Republicans oppose Obamacare publicly but privately they love it. Here we have a law crafted by Democrats,( for the good of the poor?), which compels the poorest, those who are least able to afford it, to PAY a coalition consisting almost entirely of Republicans, (insurance companies and doctors), 9.5 % of their already miserably low wages, and call it fair because they impose a limit so they won't take even more of your income.
Let me point out one little thing here.
10,000.00 to a person who earns 100k is far less of an impact than 2,000 out of a 20k income.
It's just another way for the rich to take more from the poor.
And it has popular support because all of you morons out there believe that these politicians are going to do something for you.
Makes everyone feel good, right? How all of those poor people now have insurance ( but with deductibles and copays so high they still can't afford go to a doctor unless it's life or death).
Does anyone understand why I hate these weaselly ****?
Really, try reading the guidelines and then compare it with the average health plan offered to lower wage employees. See what minimum standards really are. And who defines what they are. Even the Federal Government has gotten onboard. They now have something called a non career health plan that covers a lot of stuff AFTER you spend 6k out of pocket and then it's only 50 bucks for an office visit. I'm sure those new $15 per hour employees will find great value from this. Keeping in mind, of course, that Government benefit plans are generally better than most private employers plans.
Look for brochures online and compare. I hope you all see the pattern here.
The doctors can only charge what people can afford to pay. Health is more valuable than other services and will always demand higher prices, but not as high as they are now because of massive government subsidies. If we had a true national insurance program that could not run a deficit, the costs would drop.
Labor (doctor salaries) are just one component of cost. If we completely eliminated health insurance costs would be even lower. Most people spend more on cars than they do healthcare between 18 and 50.
Now you've touched the heart of it! Doctors should be well paid! It's the middleman that's killing us.
For a procedure that the doctor charges $50 to perform, he has to bill the insurance company $350 just to be "allowed" his 50 bucks. Now that we've learned to read the discounts on the billing statement and figure out what the doctor should be costing us, they've instituted all sorts of enrollment schemes which collect all of the premiums and then pay out a regular amount on a continuous basis to all enrolled providers to provide a steady income stream. This is why you often see providers paid 3-6 dollars on a claim, it's simply a little "spliff" for being the particular PPO used.
They've already divided you up. At a 30% margin.
Power of technology.
It passed in part because Obama was willing to lie about it.
What "lie" are you yammering about now?
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