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Reading through the thread, a lot of posters are only concentrating on the gay marriage aspect of the whole deal. That was not my intention. My intention was, why are special interest groups in general, from gay rights to NAACP type to KKK type activists, taking their frustrations out on the poor mom-and-pop baker who doesn't have a dog in the fight? I'm not concentrating on one group of people, I'm talking about ALL of them. People used to have marches over things like this, now it's cakes? Give me a break!
The issue is that these mom and pop shops are in some cases violating the laws of the state, and then claiming some special right to violate generally applicable laws because of their "religious beliefs".
I can't claim "religious beliefs" to get around law violations, why should they be allowed to do so?
As the ruling indicates, Alito is correct. The ruling is only applicable to closely held corporations, and a less-restrictive means of access must also be available. For most if not all of the businesses under attack, both requirements are true.
As the ruling indicates, Alito is correct. The ruling is only applicable to closely held corporations, and a less-restrictive means of access must also be available. For most if not all of the businesses under attack, both requirements are true.
What do you not get about that?
You're right. No closely held corp has to provide BC to employees if it violates their religious beliefs. THAT is what this ruling says. It says nothing about anti-discrimination laws.
You're right. No closely held corp has to provide BC to employees if it violates their religious beliefs.
You're even getting that wrong. Companies don't provide BC to employees. They provide insurance that covers BC pharmaceuticals/goods/services to employees. And in the HL case, only insurance coverage for pharmaceuticals/devices provided to females were involved. Note specifically that SCOTUS didn't even entertain the gender-based discrimination of that. And why? Because anti-discrimination laws don't trump the First Amendment.
No, they were told the business declines to participate in same sex weddings, which is a valid First Amendment religious exercise objection, particularly because wedding goods/services are available via less-restrictive means (SCOTUS HL ruling) elsewhere. Other than that, they were sold whichever items they wanted. Everyone knows that, which is why the bullying tactics are backfiring and making gays look like bad.
It means to buy into the illusion that it's not only acceptable, but completely normal and in every way on par with heterosexuality - and that it's a perfectly acceptable choice for any and all members of your and every other family. That they can form relationships equal in every way, that the "families" created are just a natural and good (if not better), and that their chosen lifestyle should be embraced and encouraged by all. You must accept that your children will be indoctrinated not with your family values, but with those of gay supporters, because after all, you're just not "progressive" enough. And when your son or daughter brings home a boyfriend or girlfriend for Thanksgiving dinner, it's all good and you should welcome the newcomer into your home and to your table, seeing it all as a great expression of their choice to no longer be bound by the ignorance of a backward society.
And if you don't, or express any reservations about any part of it, you will be personally attacked and your ability to earn a living destroyed as you are branded with the most terrible of labels as "intolerant" or "prejudiced" of such a fabulous lifestyle. And this will be done with all the drama and hatred they can muster. Sequins, glitter and a music track of showtunes are all optional.
Brilliantly stated.
It's to the point I'm wondering when blowback will start w/ this gay agenda.....
Because people will only take so much harassment....
Gay people can't leave well enough alone-
they got what they wanted- same sex marriage...
Now they want to shove it in our faces.
Hell no.
Time to stand up for our rights.
I work for people I choose to work for, period.
And yes this country really is pathetic....
To allow a gay agenda to bully them into compliance-
It is disgusting.
The gays are no better than the Muslims who target someone for "offending " them.
The gays stooped so low as to enter a Catholic church and disrupt Sunday mass in a feeble attempt to get the church to condone their lifestyle.
The gays are no better than the Westboro group
Exactly! LGBT militants are deliberately seeking out marginal samll businesses where a known Chrisitian influence is likely to be present. And if the owner takes his/her beliefs seriously enough to stand up for them -- so much the better from the LGBT agressors' point of view. The whole idea is simply to land a "low blow" against someone they have been condtioned to hate and fear.
What amazes me is why an organized group of Evangelicals don't descend upon a gay bar (also, under the law, a place of "public accomodation") to sing hymns, pass out tracts, and proselytize.
The self-proclaimed "liberals"among the LGBT's would throw an epic tantrum -- further putting their contradictions and hypocrasy where all of us could see it.
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It simply proves that the power of hate is stronger than the power of love.
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