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Old 04-11-2015, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Originally Posted by natalie469 View Post
Thank you. But where is the scuffle?
For the third time, the guy who shot the
video said it occurred before he started filming.

He is the chief witness for the prosecution;
do you think he made that up to help the cop?
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Old 04-11-2015, 10:50 PM
 
Location: NJ
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You inserted the vid, and then complain when what you want people to see isn't in it! Just state w/o posting the vid there was a comment that a scuttle might have ensued (course, since vid guy is walking, must be a few second scuttle, given normal walking speed). State there is no physical evidence of a scuttle.

The execution on the vid though..undisputed physical evidence.
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Old 04-11-2015, 10:55 PM
 
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For the third time, the guy who shot the
video said it occurred before he started filming.

He is the chief witness for the prosecution;
do you think he made that up to help the cop?
I'm sorry, did you post to me 3 times and I ignored you
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Old 04-11-2015, 11:00 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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I'm sorry, did you post to me 3 times and I ignored you
You quoted me; you just ignored what I said.
South Carolina police shooting discrepancies - CNN.com
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Feidin Santana, the witness who recorded the video, said he didn't see Scott grab Slager's Taser. His account contradicts what Slager told dispatchers.

In two interviews with NBC, Santana said that he was walking to his job in North Charleston on Saturday morning when he saw Slager chase Scott, who had been pulled over for a broken taillight.

Santana told NBC's Lester Holt on Wednesday that he saw the two men struggling on the ground.

"They were down on the (ground) ... before I started recording," Santana said. "I remember the police (officer) had control of the situation. He had control of Scott."
...and before you accuse me of taking the cop's side in this, remember I called it murder.
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Old 04-11-2015, 11:19 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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Do you have a link for this because I haven't seen it.

During the NBC interview, Lester Holt asked if there was a struggle. He answered, "Yes." He then said the 2 men were "down on the floor." Lester Holt said, "You mean on the ground." Santana also said he assumed the struggle was because Scott didn't want the officer to use the taser again.

That's why in an earlier post I said it's possible Slager thought Scott had his taser. Why else would a cop leave a weapon on the ground? When he realized he screwed up, he ran back and retrieved it and placed it next to the body. Maybe "he grabbed my taser" wasn't a lie at first, but then he tried to cover it up with a false police report and planting evidence after the shooting.

Again, I am not justifying this shooting at all. I'm only saying I doubt if the police officer stopped a driver and then decided to kill him for running. He wouldn't have used his taser if that were the case. The eyewitness also said in the interview that the police officer had "complete control" when they were on the ground. So how did Scott manage to get away?

Edit: Here. I found the NBC video of the interview. There's one minute of advertising before it starts.

[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/witness-who-recorded-walter-scott-shooting-speaks-out-425158211698[/url]

Last edited by justNancy; 04-11-2015 at 11:40 PM.. Reason: add link
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Old 04-11-2015, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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During the NBC interview, Lester Holt asked if there was a struggle. He answered, "Yes." He then said the 2 men were "down on the floor." Lester Holt said, "You mean on the ground." Santana also said he assumed the struggle was because Scott didn't want the officer to use the taser again.

That's why in an earlier post I said it's possible Slager thought Scott had his taser. Why else would a cop leave a weapon on the ground? When he realized he screwed up, he went back and retrieved it and placed it next to the body. Maybe "he grabbed my taser" wasn't a lie at first, but then he tried to cover it up with a false police report and planting evidence after the shooting.

Again, I am not justifying this shooting at all. I'm only saying I doubt if the police officer stopped a driver and then decided to kill him for running. He wouldn't have used his taser if that were the case. The eyewitness also said in the interview that the police officer had complete control of Scott when they were on the ground. So how did he manage to get away?

Edit: Here's a video of the interview with the bystander who recorded the shooting. There's one minute of advertising before it starts.

Witness Who Recorded Walter Scott Shooting Speaks Out - NBC News
In one respect, you are right. He didn't kill him only because Scott ran. He killed him because he completely lost his cool and unloaded on him once Scott started running again. But that doesn't make it a justified shooting. Still makes it murder. I mean, the cop even had time to take a stance and sight in!
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Old 04-11-2015, 11:44 PM
 
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Honestly, I don't care what led up to this or what this guy did in his past. The fact is that he was shot in the back while running away unarmed.
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Old 04-11-2015, 11:54 PM
 
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In one respect, you are right. He didn't kill him only because Scott ran. He killed him because he completely lost his cool and unloaded on him once Scott started running again. But that doesn't make it a justified shooting. Still makes it murder. I mean, the cop even had time to take a stance and sight in!
Sorry. You were writing while I was still editing.

Anyway, I've never taken the cop's side. I am only trying to figure out what happened and why a man stopped for a broken light was shot to death. I also think that if, as you wrote, he lost his cool, it's manslaughter, not murder. I'm not sure because he is a trained police officer. However, often when a person kills in the heat of the moment and can prove there was no intent or malice, I think the charge can be reduced to manslaughter.

I want bad cops off the street as much as anyone else. I just want to hear the entire story and not rely on a single videotape, as damning as it is.
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Honestly, I don't care what led up to this or what this guy did in his past. The fact is that he was shot in the back while running away unarmed.
You asked for a link proving the witness said there was a struggle, didn't you?
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Old 04-12-2015, 12:25 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Honestly, I don't care what led up to this or what this guy did in his past. The fact is that he was shot in the back while running away unarmed.
Yup. That is a fact.
I only suggested that the intervening "struggle"
may mean no 1st degree murder conviction.
I don't see the struggle as a mitigating factor.
He took a stance like he was at the target range
and fired eight shots at the man's back.
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Old 04-12-2015, 05:37 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Justnancy, If he just lost his cool, it can still be murder. Not all murder charges require pre-meditation. There was clearly an execution here.
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