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Old 05-09-2015, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Sandy Hook and Aurora were bald-faced attempts to scare the public into curtailing natural law rights.
That's crazy talk.


 
Old 05-09-2015, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
That's crazy talk.


No crazier than all this brouhaha about Urban Warrior exercises in San Francisco:

RW ONLINE:Operation Urban Warrior Hits Oakland

Oh, but in this case it was liberal activists protesting so I guess that's more palatable to some people.

Storming the governor's office? Protesting in the streets? Lots of press stating disbelief about the "real goals" of the operation? Protestors engaged in hour long struggles with the local police?

Wow, seems like RWNJs aren't the only ones out there skeptical of the goals and operations of the federal government.

Hey, be sure to let us know when right wing rioters take over the Texas governor's office during Jade Helm. Post pictures if possible!
 
Old 05-09-2015, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Texas
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OK, that was nutty, too.

But it was confined to one city and it was 16 years ago. It wasn't a nationwide conspiracy theory running rampant among the left wing whackos.

Did the CA governor react stupidly like our fine TX gov has?

 
Old 05-09-2015, 01:04 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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From what I have read, these special operatives (described as mainly Green Berets) will be simulating conditions, including distances, that would be faced in the Middle East. Hence a group may be in Utah, and receive word that they are needed to quickly get to 'enemy' territory in Texas. I assume that they would make the journey via helicopter or such, and not simply driving down the Interstate highways and stopping off at Stuckeys.

I's guessing that since the Middle East tends to be more desert in feature, that is why they are focusing on such land here in the USA. If the Iraq and Syria were made up of lush green mountains with waterfalls, perhaps the exercise would be held in the Smoky Mountains or the upper part of New York.

This is rather a cool website showing how various countries compare to Texas (for instance). Syria and Iraq are surprisingly big (just for fun, compare the Amazon rainforest to Texas):

MapFight - Iraq vs Texas size comparison
The military won't be facing honest law abiding citizens going to work, living in their own home peacefully in other countries in conflict. They'll be facing armed terrorists shooting at them. How the hell can anyone equate these two scenarios as 'training' war? The two scenarios are poles apart in scope. If they were really training for desert action, wouldn't they be training in the desert instead of towns and cities?

Besides, the powers that be are describing this exercise as a 'trust building' action.

You can think us paranoid.

I think of it as being prepared.
 
Old 05-09-2015, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The military won't be facing honest law abiding citizens going to work, living in their own home peacefully in other countries in conflict. They'll be facing armed terrorists shooting at them. How the hell can anyone equate these two scenarios as 'training' war? The two scenarios are poles apart in scope. If they were really training for desert action, wouldn't they be training in the desert instead of towns and cities?

Besides, the powers that be are describing this exercise as a 'trust building' action.

You can think us paranoid.

I think of it as being prepared.
It's all about inter-agency communication and coordination. It's also about small unit rapid deployment and dispersion. There will be players who will assume the role of citizens and the procedures in place for developing trust in the local population will be exercised.

It's really not rocket science or a conspiracy.

Honest.
 
Old 05-09-2015, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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So... Let's just pretend for a minute that we don't live in a world with black helicopters, government-sponsored school shootings, and lizard people in office. I know it's a hard thing to do but, again, we're playing pretend so it's ok. This is safe. We all know the aforementioned stuff is true.

Suppose in this imaginary world there was a country that had the world's most powerful economy and military. Unfortunately, due to the way geopolitics and human nature work, this country constantly finds itself amidst turmoil and strife in other parts of the world.

As a result, its military force has to practice all sorts of different scenarios in the same way that a baseball team might practice oddball scenarios in Spring Training. These scenarios may be practiced more often as world events and geopolitics dictate. For example, if turmoil and strife are brewing in a large desert area, they may practice various maneuvers in a large desert area. I know... It's crazy... Perhaps even nuts to think that you'd try to practice this sort of thing in an environment that's as close to the real deal as possible.

Now suppose there's a fairly large country in another part of the world that is mostly barren desert and there's a lot going on with that country right now. They are in the midst of a nuclear proliferation deal with our country, they're more or less dead smack in the middle of a highly volatile region of the world so a coup or hostile takeover by insurgent forces could be remotely possible, and there are constant bickers and battles between our country over military exercises performed in their part of the world.

So, keeping all that in mind, there has to be some way for "the good guys" to practice the possible scenario that things in this other part of the world go awry. One of the important things you have to practice is the logistics of your special operations forces since they'll most likely be the first guys in and the last guys out. How long does it take to fly your forces from point A to point B over hostile territory, changing terrain, etc... How long does it take to evacuate the wounded or killed? How long does it take to bring in reinforcements? What does changing weather do to the situation? How does the heat affect overall response times, troop exhaustion, etc...? Once in country, how does the civilian population respond? What about uncooperative civilians? Cooperative civilians? You practice these things to give your soldiers the experience of such a simulation but it also gives the command and control officers a deep insight into flaws, timing expectations of real world operations, etc... That way, if the proverbial crap did hit the proverbial fan and the Commander in Chief asks his generals "How long to stage an assault on bad country 'X'?" They have a response.

So.... It would probably make the most sense to find an area whose terrain, weather conditions, etc... most closely resembled that of the area in which you were simulating an invasion. In other words, what would a perfectly innocent exercise look like?

OK back to reality now... All of the above is probably the exact response you might expect someone involved in this government coverup to say. And that would mean that the preceding sentence is meant to soften the truth and reality of what's really going on. Which is EXACTLY what you might expect someone whose covering something up to do. But, that would mean that the sentence previous to this one is merely just a double coverup for the initial statement which, again, might be EXACTLY what you might expect from a coverup!!!
 
Old 05-09-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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The official logo tells us the operation is about putting down resistors to the government.
Look at the logo. The arrows and sword represent the military groups participating and
the military in general. The wooden shoe translucent in the middle represents the resistors.
The shoe is called a sabot. Sabots were wooden shoes worn by early industrial age workers
to "sabotage" (the origin of that word) the machinery by sticking the shoes into the moving parts.
Hence, the operation is meant to practice the means by which those who are non-compliant with
martial law or other military activities in the civilian domain will be brought under heel.
The official motto is "Secure the Human Domain". Not only is this degrading to citizens, calling
them impersonal "humans", but it speaks of the urban/suburban landscape on which the
operation will practice things such as logistics on civilian roads, taking out hostiles in everyday
places like schools and stores, rounding up and imprisoning resistors, locating weapons caches
which those resistors possess, and using children as bait to bring parents into submission.
They are training for martial law implementation. The computer information and surveillance logistics
system is called JADE.

Last edited by Snowball7; 05-09-2015 at 02:13 PM..
 
Old 05-09-2015, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Originally Posted by Snowball7 View Post
The official logo tells us the operation is about putting down resistors to the government.
Look at the logo. The arrows and sword represent the military groups participating and
the military in general. The wooden shoe translucent in the middle represents the resistors.
The shoe is called a sabot. Sabots were wooden shoes worn by early industrial age workers
to "sabotage" (the origin of that word) the machinery by sticking the shoes into the moving parts.
Hence, the operation is meant to practice the means by which those who are non-compliant with
martial law or other military activities in the civilian domain will be brought under heel.
The official motto is "Secure the Human Domain". Not only is this degrading to citizens, calling
them impersonal "humans", but it speaks of the urban/suburban landscape on which the
operation will practice things such as logistics on civilian roads, taking out hostiles in everyday
places like schools and stores, rounding up and imprisoning resistors, locating weapons caches
which those resistors possess, and using children as bait to bring parents into submission.
They are training for martial law implementation. The computer information and surveillance logistics
system is called JADE.
This post cracked me up.
"Resistors" are little electronic parts. "Resisters" are people.
I saw little electronic parts scurrying around stashing weapons, soldiers rounding up bins of them and the resistors thawing wooden shoes back at them, etc. etc.

What's the military going to do next time? Round up capacitors and transistors? Hold tribunals on oscillators?
I guess our last hope depends on the integrated circuit.
 
Old 05-09-2015, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Never heard so much opposition to a military exercise and there have been plenty, very little reaction in Utah and AZ it's unfortunate that some of the politicians didn't step up and ignore these right wing factions.

The beauty of the internet and social media is that crazy people can now have a voice that in the past would have never been heard, evidently the politicians respond to this type of nonsense.
 
Old 05-09-2015, 11:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Snowball7 View Post
Look at the logo.
oof.

i'd expect a better font choice from a military takeover.
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