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Old 04-10-2015, 02:48 PM
 
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The cop's untroubled willingness to shoot an unarmed man in the back--multiple times--and then lie about it is exactly why people don't trust police and flee from them in the first place. You may be happy living in a police state where you fear the cops even when you have done nothing wrong, but there are those of us who aren't ready or willing to live like that.
No pictures of him in grade school? A man that doesn't pay child support is not a respectable man and is breaking the law. Pay the child support or go to jail. He chose the illegal route, then when caught he chose to run, another illegal action.

A domino effect started by someone trying to get off the hook of paying for his own kids then the cop over-reacted and they both paid with their lives.

Just think if he would have "abided by the law" and paid child support for his "own" kids.

The guy isn't so innocent stop acting like he is.

 
Old 04-10-2015, 02:53 PM
 
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Why can't people listen or stop resisting arrest?
For the same reason that cops take a shot at somebody if they're running around late at night after a bit of a tussle or chase.

Since most of the public has never been in a fight, or hasn't been in one since 5th grade, they forget how a lot of higher brain functions go out the window. Believe me, a lot of weird stuff happens under stress.

Once you see cameras on all the police, an inevitable side effect of putting together the Surveillance Society, we'll have a few years of uproar about what really goes down. Personally, I think that a lot of criminals are overcharged and a lot of cops are held to too high a standards. Sometimes s*** just happens.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 02:59 PM
 
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For the same reason that cops take a shot at somebody if they're running around late at night after a bit of a tussle or chase.

Since most of the public has never been in a fight, or hasn't been in one since 5th grade, they forget how a lot of higher brain functions go out the window. Believe me, a lot of weird stuff happens under stress.

Once you see cameras on all the police, an inevitable side effect of putting together the Surveillance Society, we'll have a few years of uproar about what really goes down. Personally, I think that a lot of criminals are overcharged and a lot of cops are held to too high a standards. Sometimes s*** just happens.
I'm all for the surveillance society. In this case if he wasn't afraid of going to jail for not paying child support and then make it worse by running, none of this would have happened. As for the cop, yep, he over reacted now his life is over too.

Don't you wish we were so perfect that we would never make mistakes or over-react like he did? My bad... I know you all would handle every situation, a simple traffic stop or a life threatening situation so perfectly after all, we are all so perfect. We would never ever, ever, make a mistake, never make a instant bad call or over-react.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Which laws are in conflict?

Fleeing felon rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."[2]

A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.

—Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner[3]"
An actual rational decison by the USSC.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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No pictures of him in grade school? A man that doesn't pay child support is not a respectable man and is breaking the law. Pay the child support or go to jail. He chose the illegal route, then when caught he chose to run, another illegal action.

A domino effect started by someone trying to get off the hook of paying for his own kids then the cop over-reacted and they both paid with their lives.

Just think if he would have "abided by the law" and paid child support for his "own" kids.

The guy isn't so innocent stop acting like he is.
Yep, you're right. Not paying child support justified eight shots in the back. My bad.

If the cop couldn't control his impulse to shoot an unarmed man eight times in the back in a routine traffic stop he never should have been a cop to begin with. Stop defending the indefensible.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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If someone commits a felony resulting in bodily harm and you believe their escape will also lead to bodily harm against others then you can shoot them in the back. Does not have to be a LEO. Occurred here in Miami years ago in the infamous machine shop murder rampage. Civilian followed the mass murderer and killed him from behind.(actually ran him down in his car and a few shots to ensure he was down) Murderer was heading in the direction of a school. No charges filed against the civilian.

story here http://staugustine.com/stories/10260...l#.VSg84vnF-T8


Prison guards are authorized to shot fleeing inmates in the back.

Even in certain civilian facilities security guards are authorized to shoot intruders in the back if they entire sensitive areas where tampering can led to death to others. Example being certain rooms in a nuclear power facility.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 03:12 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Would you shoot the Boston Bomber in the back if he was fleeing after the bombing and had just killed a Cop ?
 
Old 04-10-2015, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Why can't people listen or stop resisting arrest? But now because one man's bad choice to run created a domino effect where other over reacted and now neither goes home and those decisions effects so many negatively.

I don't like being pulled over, you don't like it, Learn to shut up, get rid of the attitude and stop resisting.
Scott was not under arrest nor was the cop trying to arrest him. He was not a felon. There was not even a warrant for him, it turns out. He was murdered and the cop must pay with his own life now.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 03:18 PM
 
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Scott was not under arrest nor was the cop trying to arrest him. He was not a felon. There was not even a warrant for him, it turns out. He was murdered and the cop must pay with his own life now.
So why did Scott run. Could he be that he knew he was going to be arrested when the cop found out he had a warrant? They both paid with their lives, only one is still breathing and will live in hell on earth.
 
Old 04-10-2015, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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So why did Scott run. Could he be that he knew he was going to be arrested when the cop found out he had a warrant? They both paid with their lives, only one is still breathing and the other will live in hell on earth, even though he would have paid for his child's support he won't get to see his child grow up either.
There was no warrant. Scott may have thought there was since he was overdue on child support, but in fact, there was no warrant. It makes it all the sadder. It really doesn't matter his motivation though. He was unarmed and gunned down in cold blood. The cop committed murder.
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