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Old 04-13-2015, 04:36 PM
 
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I was close......I'm not sure what the penalty difference is in manslaughter and 2nd degree manslaughter but at least it's something.

 
Old 04-13-2015, 05:10 PM
 
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Rich and buddies with the police?

Don't worry folks- he'll get off with a plea deal and maybe some probation.
One can only hope. This is the perfect case for why manslaughter should not exist. Sometimes people make legitimate mistakes. Destroying what is left of this guy's life won't bring the dead man back to life. Punishing this man serves no purpose as he genuinely made a mistake. Similarly, there is no rehabilitating a person from doing something they did completely accidentally.

Sure those comments won't win me any friends here, but it is wrong to criminalize accidents.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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One can only hope. This is the perfect case for why manslaughter should not exist. Sometimes people make legitimate mistakes. Destroying what is left of this guy's life won't bring the dead man back to life. Punishing this man serves no purpose as he genuinely made a mistake. Similarly, there is no rehabilitating a person from doing something they did completely accidentally.

Sure those comments won't win me any friends here, but it is wrong to criminalize accidents.
This wasn't a legitimate mistake. In legitimate mistakes you aren't charged with manslaughter.

Hitting ice and sliding into someone is a mistake.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 05:52 PM
 
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One can only hope. This is the perfect case for why manslaughter should not exist. Sometimes people make legitimate mistakes. Destroying what is left of this guy's life won't bring the dead man back to life. Punishing this man serves no purpose as he genuinely made a mistake. Similarly, there is no rehabilitating a person from doing something they did completely accidentally.

Sure those comments won't win me any friends here, but it is wrong to criminalize accidents.
that's foolish, it isnt like he climbed a ladder and it fell over and killed someone. He killed a man who was being subdued by 3 officers. There was no reason for him to taze this man, he simply wanted to play tough cop.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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that's foolish, it isnt like he climbed a ladder and it fell over and killed someone. He killed a man who was being subdued by 3 officers. There was no reason for him to taze this man, he simply wanted to play tough cop.
In Oklahoma, killer drunk drivers go to prison for a year or two. There's no excuse why that killer deputy shouldn't get at least that long in prison. If anyone says it should be longer than that, then I wouldn't disagree.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 09:24 PM
 
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This wasn't a legitimate mistake. In legitimate mistakes you aren't charged with manslaughter.

Hitting ice and sliding into someone is a mistake.
If that happens to you have fun in prison with your manslaughter.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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He was restrained. There is a video. He was on the ground. He may have been struggling with deputies, but he was on the ground, being restrained by three LEO's. There was no reason to use the taser.
If he was struggling, and the video shows that he was, then he was not restrained.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 10:06 PM
 
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If he was struggling, and the video shows that he was, then he was not restrained.
That makes absolutely no sense. People in chains struggle.
 
Old 04-13-2015, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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73 years old? Well right there we have a problem. I don't know how it works elsewhere but here in New York our seasonal/reserve/auxiliary LEOs have to meet certain standards and I don't think people that old are allowed.

Most agencies also do not allow their auxiliaries to carry guns or partake in anything beyond directing traffic or escorting a parade/funeral. They do NOT do actual police work. Some Long Island towns and villages do have seasonal officers who are real cops (but only work during the summer), they undergo the training and they certainly arent 73 years old.
Eric Holder is the nation's chief law enforcement officer and he is 64. Where would you draw the line?
 
Old 04-13-2015, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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People in chains struggle.
True, but people in chains are restrained. A combative man with his hands free is not restrained. The Taser is designed to neutralize the threat of a subject engaged in such behavior in a non-lethal manner. It is sad that Bates made a mistake, but it would have never happened had Harris cooperated in the first place.
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