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Old 04-14-2015, 10:07 AM
 
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I don't like his idea either. However, isn't SS closer to communism than not having SS?

Or are you using "communist" as a catch all phrase for anything you don't like?
It was a program that was started to "help the poor". A program I was forced to contribute to all my working life. If I had the choice I wouldn't have since I can't trust government to keep their part of the deal.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:28 AM
 
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/christ...132358598.html

Another communist purporting to be a republican. It is a good thing that he doesn't stand a chance of ever being POTUS.
So called "means testing" is just another way of saying income redistribution.
Unlike the leaches who put nothing into the system yet get a paycheck from the taxpayers, people EARNED their SS benefits by having their hard earned money forcibly removed from their paychecks every week.
So if the government now wants to come along and say you are financially comfortable (who determines that?), so we are not going to give you what was promised back to you, all the decades you worked.
It is very much like a Ponzi scheme in that the ones in at the beginning who collected are the ones who benefited, and the ones being forced t get in later are left with little to nothing.

I agree, Christy doesn't have a Chinamen's chance in hell of getting the (R) nomination.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:30 AM
 
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Sure phase out SS for those making above 80K (like myself), and also phase out taking it from my pay check.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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Sooooo, if I saved and saved into my 401k for years and then got ready to retire and the govt. says "no, you don't need that social security"......but your neighbor that made more income than you but didn't save gets to keep theirs?

Yeah, that's going to go over well.

Besides, all of SS is not in trouble. Mainly, it's just the retiree medical portion that's sinking things.

The govt. had been slowly and quietly weakening medicare for years to adjust for that.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Goodness gracious. Can't have the people wake up to the truth of the "Tax and bribe" system of governance.

Once Americans embraced the notion that it was a "good idea" for government to TAKE from one to GIVE to another, it resulted in a "benevolent" totalitarian police state. How else can you enforce such an abomination? Wheedle, "Pretty please with sugar on top?"
From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...ist-manifesto/

Since 'private property' is expressly protected in every constitution, and it cannot be taken for public use without JUST compensation, any TAKING of property without compensation is evidence of the abolition of private property.

Of course, it is done by consent, saith the law.


Welcome to the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America - sans that pesky "charter of negative liberties" (saith BHO, that "constitutional scholar" in the White House, ably assisted by Chief Justice Roberts ). Your "right to life" has become a government granted privilege, as all other aspects of your life. All that is not mandatory, shall be licensed (+ taxed) or forbidden. You already need a license (or pay a tax) to live, work, travel, buy, sell, operate a business, transmit radio, fly a plane, trade in healthcare, buy medicine, cut hair, build a house, hunt, fish, marry and / or own a dog. You have to accept being groped to fly on commercial airliners. The worst is yet to come... oh, right, and when you die, they take a chunk of your estate, too.
And do not forget your papers-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s!
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The social security system is in deep trouble, reducing receipts will only make it worse regardless if you agree.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:49 AM
 
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Sure phase out SS for those making above 80K (like myself), and also phase out taking it from my pay check.
But it's too late for those not yet able to get ss but did contribute all their lives.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:51 AM
 
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80 grand a year doesn't go far in many,many towns and cities across america. if you paid in and are of age to collect it should be yours.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:53 AM
 
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Sooooo, if I saved and saved into my 401k for years and then got ready to retire and the govt. says "no, you don't need that social security"......but your neighbor that made more income than you but didn't save gets to keep theirs?

Yeah, that's going to go over well.

Besides, all of SS is not in trouble. Mainly, it's just the retiree medical portion that's sinking things.

The govt. had been slowly and quietly weakening medicare for years to adjust for that.
Or, I saved all my life so I can retire with ss and the neighbor that was on the dole all their lives continues to get government checks and says to me, you paid your way all your life, you paid for the poor too but since you were responsible you don't need ss even though you were promised ss when you are old.
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Old 04-14-2015, 10:53 AM
 
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Unbelievable. If those who sold us this program could hear him today... If those who fought against social security from the beginning could hear him today...
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