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Old 04-15-2015, 08:26 PM
 
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If some guy is walking down the street shooting a rifle into the air after robbing a store and threatening to kill himself, then as far as I'm concerned he's a deadly threat. He is just as likely to kill some innocent child with one of those stray bullets as he is to shoot an officer. Stop and think about the innocent people in the neighborhood being terrorized by this nutcase. Most murderers are mentally ill, but we don't just give them a pass and let them keep on gunning for our kids. The cops did the right thing.
No, most murderers are not mentally ill. He seemed to be a threat to himself, no one else. He could have shot at the police but didn't.
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Old 04-15-2015, 08:32 PM
 
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No, most murderers are not mentally ill. He seemed to be a threat to himself, no one else. He could have shot at the police but didn't.
That's ridiculous. If he shot the stolen rifle into the air, those bullets have to land somewhere. One of them could easily come down and kill a child. How is that not a threat to the community?

Cops are there to protect everyone, not just themselves. The fact that he was only shooting into the air and not at them doesn't diminish the threat to everyone else. I'm glad they ran him over and it couldn't of happened soon enough!
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Old 04-15-2015, 08:33 PM
 
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Police receive a ton of training on how to deal with crazy people or people under the influence of drugs or alcohol. They also have a lot experience with them because they deal with it on a daily basis.
I'll bet no where in that training are they taught to run someone down with their car.

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Who cares if he had PTSD. He was obviously completely nuts because no sane person would do what he did. That's not the officers problem. His job was to protect the general public and enforce the law. He did his job by making a split decision that resulted in zero fatalities.
I care. We all should care.

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Had this guy stayed in one spot, law enforcement could have blocked the area and continue to negotiate with him, but he refused to listen to them and decided he wanted to walk into an area with innocent people while firing a stolen rifle. Honestly, what were those cops supposed to do? You keep saying "training," but when a crazy gunman refuses to negotiate and is headed towards innocent people, they really aren't left with too many options
You have no clue if he was anywhere near other people.

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You're probably a nice person, but you simply don't know what cops do, and why they can't always be everyone's friend. Your view of the world is not in a perspective in relation to how it actually operates, which makes scenarios like this very upsetting to you because you ultimately don't understand what this man was capable of.
My wife pays the entire police force every two weeks and I am very familiar with what they do.
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Old 04-15-2015, 08:34 PM
 
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I'll bet no where in that training are they taught to run someone down with their car.
Cops play GTA too you know.
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Old 04-15-2015, 09:45 PM
 
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Perp is shorthand for "perpetrator", it's NOT a slur. The rifle toting dude was def that.
Never said it was slur.
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Old 04-15-2015, 10:24 PM
 
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I care. We all should care.



You have no clue if he was anywhere near other people.



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I care about people with PTSD in the same way that I care about schizophrenics; however, I have no problem with them being taken out the second they endanger other people just like any other rational thinking person. It's called utilitarianism. It's the basis for what free societies determine is right and wrong.


lol There is a parking lot full of cars that he flies into after being hit.

This means that people are in that area. Lets say they just continued to "negotiate" with him and someone was walking out to their car, or even worse several people come out of that building to see why there are sirens and lights.............bang bang bang

also, he already fired the rifle once. That's not a small caliber weapon. It was a 30-30, which has a maximum range of almost 3 miles.

Also, he could have open fired on the officers at any second as a form of suicide. This is actually pretty common, and he had a rifle that could easily hit any officer within 100 yards with basic shooting skills. Their vests would not stop the bullet either. Facing a crazy guy with a high powered rifle, is a much more serious situation than facing some gang banger with a pistol.

think about that for a second

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Old 04-16-2015, 01:30 AM
 
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Why do you say that? Seriously for all we know the guy is diabetic and was having a low blood sugar episode.

Mind you-im not saying the cops actions were wrong, but wishing death on the guy seems excessive til we know more.
Because idiots who perpetrate such actions tend to reoffend.
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:26 AM
 
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My opinion of the video shifted 180 degrees once I saw that the suspect had a rifle to his head and then earlier had been shooting into the air. The police would have been justified in shooting him. Running him down with a patrol car was unique problem solving but caused damage the taxpayers will have to pay. Still, if the guy lived maybe that was best. Then again, if he ends up suing, again the tax payers will have to pay. Why didn't they just shoot him again?
Icy, you may already know this, but talking about the taxpayers money?
I don't believe most people realize, how many times one man like this is arrested...
The repeated offenders also cost the taxpayers a lot of money....
lots...think about it, he gets arrested, we pay for his public defender,
his time in prison, once he is under arrest, we pay for everything...
Then the gobs of paperwork, plus the people he has assulted?
My son tells me you wouldn't believe how many times people are repeated offenders....

Then some judge sets him free again????

Our systems are broken
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Old 04-16-2015, 06:45 AM
 
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Before I get all outraged about this apparent case of police brutality, I need to know the race of both the perp and the cop.
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Old 04-16-2015, 07:31 AM
 
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Icy, you may already know this, but talking about the taxpayers money?
I don't believe most people realize, how many times one man like this is arrested...
The repeated offenders also cost the taxpayers a lot of money....
lots...think about it, he gets arrested, we pay for his public defender,
his time in prison, once he is under arrest, we pay for everything...
Then the gobs of paperwork, plus the people he has assulted?
My son tells me you wouldn't believe how many times people are repeated offenders....

Then some judge sets him free again????

Our systems are broken
There is a guy in our area that was deemed incompetent to stand trial back in the 90's. He was arrested or cited 90 times since, they kept releasing him. He knew as long as the crimes were non violent they couldn't touch him, shoplifting etc. It finally caught up with last month, his girlfriend said he pulled a knife on her during a bad drug deal.
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